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MHU
post Tue, 5 Dec 2017 - 13:10
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Hi

I want to know what my next steps on this are

I go to the Blackburn with Dawen Council Gym everyday, but the parking is shared with the college and can only be used after 4.30PM by Gym Members.

I parked my vehicle on a tarmacked area which had no bays, or road markings or sign posts near that area that says you cannot park here and that you must be parked in a bay. I was given a Parking Charge Notice for this and i could pay the £60 (£100 after 14days) via www.paymypcn.net

I appealed on the grounds that i parked after 4.30pm, there are no road markings (red or yellow lines or hatched areas) and there is no sign there either.

The Appeal was rejected but does not say why. If i login to paymypcn it just says Appeal Rejected - Pending, and i have had no further contact.

Do i just ignore now? Or go to the IAS as that is the next steps on the parking charge notice if i disagree with the outcome?

secondly .. just yesterday, i was parked in a bay, shortly after 4.30pm, and i have been given another ticket at 4.56pm saying no valid permit displayed ... Funnily enough though the ticket is printed at 4.56 but the paper sheet the ticket has been put in says 4.20pm!

What would you suggest on that one?

Thanks
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post Wed, 13 Dec 2017 - 18:50
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QUOTE (ostell @ Wed, 6 Dec 2017 - 14:32) *
So the ticket has no name on it? So you don't know who the invoice is from and therefore unable to pay it?

So that is a prohibiting sign. Parking is only allowed for ....... there is no offer to park for others. If there is no offer then there can be no contract and therefore no breach. And that's besides the time things. Bring up the fact that there are no bays and therfore any alleged conditions cannot be followed.

Not necessarily. The "forbidding" term could be construed as applying only prior to 16:30, M-F. The other term, relating to parking within a bay, is contained in a separate sentence, and so could be read as applying to anyone, at any time. There is no absolute necessity for the two terms to be read together in the way you are suggesting. The OP could argue that this makes the contract's terms ambiguous, but a court would have to agree; it is not a slam-dunk.

For the "not within a bay" PCN, the most relevant (non-procedural) argument may be related to the exact placement of the signs that the PPC has alleged adequately conveyed the terms of the contract offered to the OP. The OP says that there were no signs in that area, but without a detailed site map showing the location of all of the signs (and their content) it is impossible to know if this argument would likely prevail in court.

For the "prior to 4:30" PCN, if the paperwork contains both times (4:20 and 4:56), it is difficult to see how even the IPC could fail to allow an appeal, but it's still best not to give them any new incompetence targets.

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post Fri, 12 Jan 2018 - 20:39
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Hello

So today i received a letter from UCS - Ultimate Customer Solutions

Letter attached

I have proof of posting certificate, but had no response from PCN, just got the letter

GOt a letter for both charges

How do i proceed

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post Sat, 13 Jan 2018 - 12:19
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QUOTE (MHU @ Fri, 12 Jan 2018 - 20:39) *
Hello

So today i received a letter from UCS - Ultimate Customer Solutions

Letter attached

I have proof of posting certificate, but had no response from PCN, just got the letter

GOt a letter for both charges

How do i proceed

It is a letter from a debt collector. They can do nothing but beg you for money. If their begging letters fail to acquire your money, they don't get paid, so they are likely to keep sending letters for a while (despite the 14 day "deadline").

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post Sat, 13 Jan 2018 - 16:18
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QUOTE (Churchmouse @ Sat, 13 Jan 2018 - 12:19) *
QUOTE (MHU @ Fri, 12 Jan 2018 - 20:39) *
Hello

So today i received a letter from UCS - Ultimate Customer Solutions

Letter attached

I have proof of posting certificate, but had no response from PCN, just got the letter

GOt a letter for both charges

How do i proceed

It is a letter from a debt collector. They can do nothing but beg you for money. If their begging letters fail to acquire your money, they don't get paid, so they are likely to keep sending letters for a while (despite the 14 day "deadline").

--Churchmouse



So do i just ignore? or write back?
Do Bailiffs get involved?
Court proceedings?


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post Sat, 13 Jan 2018 - 20:17
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Ignore the debt collectors.

No bailiffs will call.

Come back here if you get a letter before action/claim or a court claim.


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debt collectors have ZERO powers. none.
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post Mon, 15 Jan 2018 - 20:33
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So it i safe to just keep ignoring the letters
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From debt collectors, yes.
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post Sat, 3 Feb 2018 - 09:52
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Hello

Yesterday i received this letter

Please advise how i should proceed?

Many Thanks in advance

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post Sat, 3 Feb 2018 - 10:05
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It's another debt collector's letter. Note the "May instruct us"
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Looks like the same company using a different name...
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CSB is a genuine solicitor but it's open to question who has employed them if payment has to be made to UCS

At the moment it's just another debt collector letter and, unlike a Letter Before Claim, can be ignored

There's a history of debt collectors writing to targets on solicitor notepaper
You could therefore, as an alternative, send a copy of the letter to CSB and ask them to confirm :

1 Is the letter genuine ?
2 If so, who has employed them ?
3 Has PCN NW paid the additional sum to UCS and, if not, what is the basis of the increased amount ?

Point out that, for the avoidance of doubt, you deny the existence of any debt

Remove the picture of that letter and repost it with the PCN reference and location removed
Parking companies monitor this forum and, if they recognise the case, will use in court any useful information or admissions that they find
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post Sun, 4 Feb 2018 - 21:02
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QUOTE (Redivi @ Sat, 3 Feb 2018 - 11:39) *
CSB is a genuine solicitor but it's open to question who has employed them if payment has to be made to UCS

At the moment it's just another debt collector letter and, unlike a Letter Before Claim, can be ignored

There's a history of debt collectors writing to targets on solicitor notepaper
You could therefore, as an alternative, send a copy of the letter to CSB and ask them to confirm :

1 Is the letter genuine ?
2 If so, who has employed them ?
3 Has PCN NW paid the additional sum to UCS and, if not, what is the basis of the increased amount ?

Point out that, for the avoidance of doubt, you deny the existence of any debt

Remove the picture of that letter and repost it with the PCN reference and location removed
Parking companies monitor this forum and, if they recognise the case, will use in court any useful information or admissions that they find


I have removed and edited and reposted the letter as advised

The letter has come in the same envelope and Return address on the envelope

Shall i send the below:

Parking Charge Notice: 12345678
To whom it may concern,
I was initially contacted by UCS for a parking charge notice, which for the avoidance of doubt, I deny any existence of debt.
I have received a letter from CSB Solicitors dated 30th January, I wanted to enquire if this letter is genuine, if so, who has employed you to contact me? Also has PCN NW paid the additional sum to UCS and if not then what is the reason for the additional cost.
If the letter is not genuine then please be aware that your company is being used without your permission

Kind Regards

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post Sun, 4 Feb 2018 - 21:57
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Also, do i send the letter as Signed for, or just proof of posting certificate?
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Parking Charge Notice: 12345678

To whom it may concern,

I was initially contacted by PCN (NW) Ltd and subsequently Ultimate Customer Solutions regarding a parking charge notice
For the avoidance of doubt, I deny any existence of debt.

I have received the enclosed letter from CSB Solicitors dated 30th January
I wanted to enquire if this letter is genuine and, if so, who has employed you to contact me?
Also has PCN NW paid the additional sum to UCS and if not then what is the reason for the additional cost ?

If the letter is not genuine, it would appear that your company letterhead has been misused
In the absence of a reply, I will assume that the letter is counterfeit and should be ignored

Kind Regards


Free proof of posting
A letter posted First Class is deemed delivered two business days later unless CSB can prove it wasn't
Recorded delivery letters can be refused
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post Mon, 5 Feb 2018 - 14:41
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Great thanks, i will get this sent off tomorrow

Assuming i should enclose the original letter and not a copy
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post Mon, 5 Feb 2018 - 14:44
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NEVER SEND ORIGINALS
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post Mon, 5 Feb 2018 - 15:22
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QUOTE (ostell @ Mon, 5 Feb 2018 - 14:44) *
NEVER SEND ORIGINALS


copy it is smile.gif
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post Mon, 5 Feb 2018 - 16:45
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I should have made that clear
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post Wed, 14 Feb 2018 - 21:50
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No reply from them yet

Although i have another letter in the same format for the other PCN
So i will send the same letter to CSB asking if they sent it

If i get no response then what are my next steps?
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