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cp8759
post Thu, 18 Jan 2018 - 00:54
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That silly proposal to change it to 4 years has been binned

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations...date-to-4-years


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post Thu, 18 Jan 2018 - 08:35
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I've been an mot tester of various classer scince 1981. Every now and again killers were presented on their first mot. One in particular had no rear footbrakes and can have had none from new. 4 years before the first mot would have killed.


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post Thu, 18 Jan 2018 - 18:30
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The French seem to manage OK with the first Controle Technique test at just before four years from new and every 2 years thereafter.



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post Thu, 18 Jan 2018 - 22:05
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QUOTE (Monster 900 @ Thu, 18 Jan 2018 - 18:30) *
The French seem to manage OK with the first Controle Technique test at just before four years from new and every 2 years thereafter.

I've had a car pass with flying colours one year, and fail with stuff that, if left for another 12 months, would have become dangerous. I don't think there's much support for adopting such a system in this country, as the consultation outcome has shown.


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post Thu, 18 Jan 2018 - 22:14
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QUOTE (Monster 900 @ Thu, 18 Jan 2018 - 18:30) *
The French seem to manage OK with the first Controle Technique test at just before four years from new and every 2 years thereafter.


If the French manage it must be OK then
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post Thu, 18 Jan 2018 - 22:28
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What I find very worrying is the first time pass rate for vans. For 3 year old vans the fail rate is about 46%, meaning that 54% are fit for the road after 3 years. As Spanner says, 4 years would kill, especially on vans which are usually driven into the ground long before the 3 years is up.

The fail rate for lorries is around 18% and buses around 12%. But then buses and lorries are tested before first use and then every year. I can't remember what the fail rate for cars is offhand.
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post Fri, 19 Jan 2018 - 08:39
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QUOTE (Monster 900 @ Thu, 18 Jan 2018 - 18:30) *
The French seem to manage OK with the first Controle Technique test at just before four years from new and every 2 years thereafter.


The French generally do not use highly corrosive salt to clear the roads. We do.


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post Fri, 19 Jan 2018 - 10:54
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QUOTE (spanner345 @ Fri, 19 Jan 2018 - 08:39) *
QUOTE (Monster 900 @ Thu, 18 Jan 2018 - 18:30) *
The French seem to manage OK with the first Controle Technique test at just before four years from new and every 2 years thereafter.


The French generally do not use highly corrosive salt to clear the roads. We do.


Depends what part of France, northern and alpine regions get pretty cold and icy.

Spanner, you obviously see plenty of cars at MOT in your job and probably lots of rusty heaps.
But do you really see serious structural corrosion on 3 year old motors?
I thought those days had gone.
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post Fri, 19 Jan 2018 - 11:11
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QUOTE (DancingDad @ Fri, 19 Jan 2018 - 10:54) *
QUOTE (spanner345 @ Fri, 19 Jan 2018 - 08:39) *
QUOTE (Monster 900 @ Thu, 18 Jan 2018 - 18:30) *
The French seem to manage OK with the first Controle Technique test at just before four years from new and every 2 years thereafter.


The French generally do not use highly corrosive salt to clear the roads. We do.


Depends what part of France, northern and alpine regions get pretty cold and icy.

Spanner, you obviously see plenty of cars at MOT in your job and probably lots of rusty heaps.
But do you really see serious structural corrosion on 3 year old motors?
I thought those days had gone.
I ceased testing classes 3,4 a few years ago but according to others, structural no. Brake pipes, seized calipers, handbrake mechanisms sometimes.


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post Fri, 19 Jan 2018 - 11:20
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QUOTE (spanner345 @ Fri, 19 Jan 2018 - 11:11) *
.........I ceased testing classes 3,4 a few years ago but according to others, structural no. Brake pipes, seized calipers, handbrake mechanisms sometimes.


That makes more sense though brake pipes would worry me in that young a car.
Calipers and the like, no real surprise but even then, a three year old car should not be suffering nor should it get past services... assuming that the motor has been serviced.
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post Fri, 19 Jan 2018 - 11:58
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QUOTE (DancingDad @ Fri, 19 Jan 2018 - 11:20) *
QUOTE (spanner345 @ Fri, 19 Jan 2018 - 11:11) *
.........I ceased testing classes 3,4 a few years ago but according to others, structural no. Brake pipes, seized calipers, handbrake mechanisms sometimes.


That makes more sense though brake pipes would worry me in that young a car.
Calipers and the like, no real surprise but even then, a three year old car should not be suffering nor should it get past services... assuming that the motor has been serviced.
A bit silly to assume that!
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post Fri, 19 Jan 2018 - 12:37
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QUOTE (spanner345 @ Fri, 19 Jan 2018 - 11:58) *
.........A bit silly to assume that!
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Yeah, tell me.
Amazes me that people pay many thousands on a new motor and then even ignore basics like checking fluid levels, let alone anything technical like brakes.
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post Fri, 19 Jan 2018 - 12:40
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I've just had my first (3 years old) motorcycle MOT, it had done just shy of 60,000 miles, imagine what could have failed during that time if not looked after.
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post Fri, 19 Jan 2018 - 13:14
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QUOTE (yen_powell @ Fri, 19 Jan 2018 - 12:40) *
I've just had my first (3 years old) motorcycle MOT, it had done just shy of 60,000 miles, imagine what could have failed during that time if not looked after.


Nothing to stop you/any owner getting an MOT before the required date is there ?
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post Fri, 19 Jan 2018 - 17:30
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I had recently bought a car with "6 months MOT". I always as a habit, take any car I buy for an MOT for piece of mind and to make sure the vehicle is fit for the road.

It had a couple of advisories....



Then 6 months later...



4 Years without a test is way too long.
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post Fri, 19 Jan 2018 - 20:57
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The same sort of failure items are sen on 3 year old vans, but usually with much higher mileages than cars.

A colleague who operated a few psv minibuses bought a brand new Vauxhall minibus about 10 years ago; i asked him if he wanted it checked before it went for its certificate of initial fitness. No thanks. It failed because the steering drop arm was loose on the shaft. VOSA had a few words with Vauxhall on that. It cost my friend an immediate prohibition and another rather expensive COIF test.
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post Sat, 20 Jan 2018 - 21:57
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Should be done on mileage or year, whichever comes first, in my opinion at least for the moment when traffic enforcement seems to be almost non-existent just on the basis of cars around with defective lights. Call me old fashioned but I always have spare bulbs in the car, and if I didn't I'd stop at the first petrol station to get more.

It simply doesn't make sense that a company van could potentially do 300,000 miles before needing an MoT. They check the mileometer anyway, just make it 50k miles initially then every 25k miles with a £30 extra test fee if you go over it. Reduce the test fee for everyone else. If you have a well maintained car £40 every year or 25k miles is nothing.
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QUOTE (notmeatloaf @ Sat, 20 Jan 2018 - 21:57) *
Call me old fashioned but I always have spare bulbs in the car, and if I didn't I'd stop at the first petrol station to get more.

Good luck with changing those at the roadside with most modern cars.


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post Sun, 21 Jan 2018 - 20:39
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I think it MOT tests should be compulsary from new- i.e. a brand new car out the factory should go through one. Dealers do pre delivery inspections, but these aren't comprehensive enough.

I borrowed a 67 plate Cee'd recently- it only had 1500 miles on it, but one of the DRL's was out (LED so it shouldn't have failed already).

Another car I had was a 17 plate E-Class. It had high miles on it- over 50k but I can't remember specifics. The two front tyres were borderline legal if that. Being a communal fleet car, nobody seems to take responsibility for checking these things.

On the other hand when I had a 15 year old 106, it passed its MOT without so much as an advisory.

I like the idea above about mileage limits as well as time. Even if the mileage check only covered consumables, it would be worth doing.
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post Tue, 23 Jan 2018 - 14:34
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QUOTE (glasgow_bhoy @ Sun, 21 Jan 2018 - 20:39) *
I borrowed a 67 plate Cee'd recently- it only had 1500 miles on it, but one of the DRL's was out (LED so it shouldn't have failed already).

If we're going into what shouldn't happen, IMO cars shouldn't have DRLs at all.


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