Work car park ticket (Scotland) |
Work car park ticket (Scotland) |
Fri, 21 Sep 2018 - 15:06
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 4 Joined: 21 Sep 2018 Member No.: 99,987 |
Got a parking ticket today at ym works business park for not displaying parking permit (don't have one to display). Issued by UKPC, apparently the office park can't do anything about it and I need to go to UKPC directly, but obviously don't want to give them my details as I have no intention of paying a penny.. What's the best option here? Formally appealing or just ignoring?
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Fri, 21 Sep 2018 - 15:06
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Fri, 21 Sep 2018 - 15:26
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Member Group: Members Posts: 564 Joined: 15 Nov 2017 Member No.: 95,103 |
Are you resident in Scotland or was the car park in Scotland? Post up the ticket with the identifying numebrs and names etc redacted out
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Fri, 21 Sep 2018 - 15:45
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Member Group: Members Posts: 9,985 Joined: 20 Aug 2008 Member No.: 21,992 |
Is it a company car, or is it yours?
-------------------- Sometimes I use big words I don't understand in an effort to make myself sound more photosynthesis.
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Fri, 21 Sep 2018 - 15:56
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 4 Joined: 21 Sep 2018 Member No.: 99,987 |
Doesn't seem to be wanting to upload on mobile, will try uploading on pc shortly. Its registered to me, not a company car or lease or anything like that
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Fri, 21 Sep 2018 - 16:36
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Member Group: Members Posts: 4,167 Joined: 6 Oct 2012 Member No.: 57,558 |
Don't bother with the ticket, it only has the potential to identify you and for Scotland the less we know the better.
If you are resident in Scotland and the car is registered to you then ignore all but a letter before action LBA or a Claim form. There is no concept of keeper liability in Scotland, as long as you are resident in Scotland and do not identify the driver there is nothing they can do except send scary toilet paper. |
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Fri, 21 Sep 2018 - 16:39
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 4 Joined: 21 Sep 2018 Member No.: 99,987 |
Don't bother with the ticket, it only has the potential to identify you and for Scotland the less we know the better. If you are resident in Scotland and the car is registered to you then ignore all but a letter before action LBA or a Claim form. There is no concept of keeper liability in Scotland, as long as you are resident in Scotland and do not identify the driver there is nothing they can do except send scary toilet paper. Can't it affect credit rating though? |
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Fri, 21 Sep 2018 - 16:44
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Member Group: Members Posts: 6,898 Joined: 15 Dec 2007 From: South of John O'Groats, north of Cape Town. Member No.: 16,066 |
No. Your credit rating is only affected IF they take you to court AND they win AND you fail to settle in accordance with the court order, normally about 30 days (in E&W).
Keep your head down and say and do absolutely NOTHING. IF you receive court papers, come back here for further advice. -------------------- Cabbyman 11 PPCs 0
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Fri, 21 Sep 2018 - 16:47
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Member Group: Members Posts: 901 Joined: 1 Apr 2017 Member No.: 91,235 |
Your credit rating can only be affected if you the parking operator takes you to Court, you lose at Court and then you fail to pay within the allotted time.
What you have been told is that the parking operator cannot take action against a person in Scotland unless they know that person to be the driver. So, how is your credit rating going to be affected? |
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Sat, 22 Sep 2018 - 08:56
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 4 Joined: 21 Sep 2018 Member No.: 99,987 |
Appreciate all the responses, put my mind at ease. Will just ignore letters. Thanks all.
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Sat, 22 Sep 2018 - 09:19
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,195 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
Ignore, but FILE AND KEEP for 6 years.
-------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Sat, 22 Sep 2018 - 09:28
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Member Group: Members Posts: 277 Joined: 29 Aug 2017 Member No.: 93,755 |
Kommando said
If you are resident in Scotland and the car is registered to you then ignore all but a letter before action LBA or a Claim form. Has the law changed now? I thought that they couldnt chase the keeper irrespective of where he lived n the UK. If so that is really going to spoil my holiday by over parking all over Scotland |
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Sat, 22 Sep 2018 - 09:46
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Member Group: Members Posts: 220 Joined: 8 Mar 2013 Member No.: 60,453 |
Pofa (protection of freedoms act) introduced in 2012 allows the keeper to be held liable provided the strict criteria are met. This only applies in England and Wales. In Scotland no keeper liability exists they can still only persue the driver.
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Sat, 22 Sep 2018 - 11:24
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Member Group: Members Posts: 4,167 Joined: 6 Oct 2012 Member No.: 57,558 |
QUOTE Has the law changed now? I thought that they couldn't chase the keeper irrespective of where he lived n the UK. If so that is really going to spoil my holiday by over parking all over Scotland No it hasn't changed, I was answering the OP who was likely to be a Scottish resident. |
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Mon, 24 Sep 2018 - 00:06
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Member Group: Members Posts: 53 Joined: 8 Jun 2011 Member No.: 47,328 |
I live in Scotland and I've had three PCN's from different extortion companies here over the years and did exactly what the experts have recommended, did nothing, ignored the threats of crap on toilet paper and it hasn't cost me a bean.
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Mon, 24 Sep 2018 - 03:53
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,195 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
QUOTE Has the law changed now? I thought that they couldn't chase the keeper irrespective of where he lived n the UK. If so that is really going to spoil my holiday by over parking all over Scotland No it hasn't changed, I was answering the OP who was likely to be a Scottish resident. As the incident was on Scottish soil (from the title) PoFA doesn't apply, it matters not where he lives, living in England would not mean they could apply PoFA. -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Mon, 24 Sep 2018 - 10:31
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Member Group: Members Posts: 4,167 Joined: 6 Oct 2012 Member No.: 57,558 |
QUOTE As the incident was on Scottish soil (from the title) PoFA doesn't apply, it matters not where he lives, living in England would not mean they could apply PoFA. That is correct but these is a subtle difference. A E&W resident does not have the protection of a claim being automatically thrown out by Northampton during the raising process as their address is not in Scotland/NI, so they would then need to dispute Jurisdiction when acknowledging the claim. Based on the lack of these coming to the forum its currently a non issue but you are relying on the PPC's recognising the event was in Scotland/NI. If they don't there is more work involved to kill it than for a Scottish/NI resident. |
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Mon, 24 Sep 2018 - 11:08
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Member Group: Members Posts: 4,126 Joined: 31 Jan 2018 Member No.: 96,238 |
Is the time limit five years for a parking ticket in Scotland ?
There's a fee to contest jurisdiction Does the PPC have to pay it if the contest succeeds ? |
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Mon, 24 Sep 2018 - 11:23
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Member Group: Members Posts: 4,167 Joined: 6 Oct 2012 Member No.: 57,558 |
The 6 years in E&W allowed to rise a claim by claimant is reduced to 5 years in Scotland.
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Tue, 25 Sep 2018 - 03:36
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,195 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
QUOTE As the incident was on Scottish soil (from the title) PoFA doesn't apply, it matters not where he lives, living in England would not mean they could apply PoFA. That is correct but these is a subtle difference. A E&W resident does not have the protection of a claim being automatically thrown out by Northampton during the raising process as their address is not in Scotland/NI, so they would then need to dispute Jurisdiction when acknowledging the claim. Why/How would they dispute jurisdiction? AIUI it an English company can sue an English (alleged) debtor for a debt in England even if the consideration (parking) was in Scotland, just like if it was for buying a car in Scotland and so on. The claim is on a person, the claimant couldn't use PoFA but could still make a claim based on other details (e.g. they have driver ID) -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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