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paulfoel
post Wed, 14 Feb 2018 - 15:04
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Only doing 38 definitely under 40. Flashed.

What chances of avoiding ticket?

If anyone knows the area, its north road cardiff, just past Gabalfa flyover.
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post Wed, 14 Feb 2018 - 15:07
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38 in a 40 - if I get done. See other post.

I understand its 50% of weekly salary now. Jeez. Thats hell of a lot more than before.

How do they calculate weekly wage? I'm self-employed sort of and pay an umbrella company to do my payslips. Or could I argue based on last years salary up till April 2017?
I dont have a fixed salary as such.

Or hope they do a speed awareness course in South Wales?
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post Wed, 14 Feb 2018 - 15:08
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If you know you were speeding, you went past a speed camera and it flashed there seems a fair chance you will be hearing about it. If you are the registered keeper of the vehicle you have 14 days to wait to find out.


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post Wed, 14 Feb 2018 - 15:11
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They are likely to offer a speed awareness course provided if have not previously done one for an offence in the last three years, South Wales and nearly all other areas offer courses, and for up to 42 in a 30 limit, failing that you would get a fixed penalty offer unless that would take you to 12 points or more.


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post Wed, 14 Feb 2018 - 15:12
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QUOTE (paulfoel @ Wed, 14 Feb 2018 - 15:07) *
See other post.


That’s not how it works. One case, one thread.

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I understand its 50% of weekly salary now.

Only if you go to court. For that speed you should get an offer of a course or a fixed penalty.


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post Wed, 14 Feb 2018 - 15:13
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30 limit?

If flashed there's a good chance the driver has been caught. (Enforcement starts at 35)


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RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution
PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information

Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it.
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post Wed, 14 Feb 2018 - 15:35
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QUOTE (Jlc @ Wed, 14 Feb 2018 - 15:13) *
30 limit?

If flashed there's a good chance the driver has been caught. (Enforcement starts at 35)


35? Probably doing just over that. :-(


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QUOTE (paulfoel @ Wed, 14 Feb 2018 - 15:07) *
See other post.


That’s not how it works. One case, one thread.

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I understand its 50% of weekly salary now.

Only if you go to court. For that speed you should get an offer of a course or a fixed penalty.


Right I see. So fixed penalty is still the same.. Was a bit worried then. Course then hopefully...
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post Sat, 17 Feb 2018 - 12:35
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Is it an urban myth that sometimes they don't follow up the ones that aren't returned within 28 days and you get away with it?
Everyone seems to have a 'friend' who got away with it like this.

Form seems to imply you risk not getting a speed awareness course offer or possible further sanctions if there is a delay (I was 35 in a 30 zone).

But then that would be a bit unfair because it was sent to me regular post and I'd be posting it back regular post. Rate maybe but there are two chances for it to get lost.
I'd be unhappy if that genuinely happened to me.

Then again if they always follow up no point trying it on?
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post Sat, 17 Feb 2018 - 12:39
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NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? -
Date of the offence: - February 2018
Date of the NIP: - 2 days after the offence
Date you received the NIP: - 3 days after the offence
Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - North Road, Cardiff (Southbound)
Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes
Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - First
If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? -
How many current points do you have? - 0
Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - 35 mph Exceeding 30mph limit


NIP Wizard Responses
These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation:
Have you received a NIP? - Yes
Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - Yes
Did the first NIP arrive within 14 days? - Yes
Although you are the Registered Keeper, were you also the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes
Were you driving? - Yes
Which country did the alleged offence take place in? - Wales

NIP Wizard Recommendation
Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:
  • The law requires you to provide the information requested in the Section 172 notice within the 28 day period, naming yourself as the driver. If you are considering obtaining formal legal advice, do so before returning the notice.

    You should note that there is nothing to be gained by responding any earlier than you have to at any stage of the process. You are likely to receive a Conditional Offer of a Fixed Penalty (COFP) and further reminder(s). If you want to continue the fight, you should ignore all correspondence from the police until you receive a summons. You need to understand from the outset that while you will receive much help and support from members on the forums, you will need to put time and effort into fighting your case and ultimately be prepared to stand up in court to defend yourself.

Generated by the PePiPoo NIP Wizard v3.3.2: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 12:39:38 +0000
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post Sat, 17 Feb 2018 - 12:39
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QUOTE (paulfoel @ Sat, 17 Feb 2018 - 12:35) *
Is it an urban myth that sometimes they don't follow up the ones that aren't returned within 28 days and you get away with it?


Almost unheard of these days. Everything is computerised so very rarely do any fall out of the system. IMHO, not worth risking 6 points.

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post Sat, 17 Feb 2018 - 12:48
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Well there you go. Name yourself as the driver and the offer of a course should result, no point in any delay.


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post Sat, 17 Feb 2018 - 12:50
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One case, one thread, last warning.


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post Sat, 17 Feb 2018 - 12:54
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QUOTE (paulfoel @ Sat, 17 Feb 2018 - 12:35) *
But then that would be a bit unfair because it was sent to me regular post and I'd be posting it back regular post. Rate maybe but there are two chances for it to get lost.
I'd be unhappy if that genuinely happened to me.

You have a right to take the matter to court. They've even thought about situations like this and can sentence at fixed penalty rates. However, you do not have a right to a course and the court cannot issue one.


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PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution
PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information

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paulfoel
post Sat, 17 Feb 2018 - 14:12
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QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Sat, 17 Feb 2018 - 12:50) *
One case, one thread, last warning.


Its a general non-case-specific question?


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QUOTE (paulfoel @ Sat, 17 Feb 2018 - 12:35) *
But then that would be a bit unfair because it was sent to me regular post and I'd be posting it back regular post. Rate maybe but there are two chances for it to get lost.
I'd be unhappy if that genuinely happened to me.

You have a right to take the matter to court. They've even thought about situations like this and can sentence at fixed penalty rates. However, you do not have a right to a course and the court cannot issue one.


Ah probably best to suck it up then and do the course :-(

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post Sat, 17 Feb 2018 - 14:24
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QUOTE (paulfoel @ Sat, 17 Feb 2018 - 14:12) *
QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Sat, 17 Feb 2018 - 12:50) *
One case, one thread, last warning.
It as a general non-case-specific question?


Well, the thing is that this is a forum for advice on specific cases, non-case specific questions should go in the Flamepit forum part of this site. All of us are liable to be reminded of that if a specific case turns into a general discussion, and one can see the point, otherwise threads seeking specific advice would get lost amidst all the chit-chat. Oh dear, now we have are discussing board policy, not your case, I shall say no more.



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post Sat, 17 Feb 2018 - 17:02
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QUOTE (paulfoel @ Sat, 17 Feb 2018 - 14:12) *
QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Sat, 17 Feb 2018 - 12:50) *
One case, one thread, last warning.


Its a general non-case-specific question?

Either it’s linked to your ongoing case or it’s a random question which ought to have been posted in the flame pit.


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