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 Fri, 7 Apr 2017 - 15:05
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The warmongering west is pushing their luck against Russia with the latest bombing of the Syrian airbase. I find the worldwide outcry against Assad amusing, taking into account there has never been a single shred of evidence that implicates him in any of the so called chemical attacks 'against his own people'.
Sadam was killed for far less, yet Assad is walking free. Makes you wonder... |
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Fri, 7 Apr 2017 - 15:13
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Fri, 7 Apr 2017 - 20:02
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 Member Group: Members Posts: 2,356 Joined: 30 Jun 2008 From: Landan Member No.: 20,731 |
Yes, I understand that there was absolutely no good reason for Assad to have used chemical weapons. Therefore, he did not. And, of course, he must not have stockpiled any chemical weapons, because there would not have been any good reason for that, either. So when he decomissioned his chemical weapons in 2013 (with the aid/behest of the Americans and Russians), he must have just been confused.
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Fri, 7 Apr 2017 - 20:07
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On the plus side if the enemy of my enemy is my friend we have lots of friends in the Middle East and Russia. Some of whom may concurrently be our enemies.
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Fri, 7 Apr 2017 - 22:52
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Member Group: Members Posts: 3,318 Joined: 17 Jun 2011 Member No.: 47,602 |
QUOTE (MFM @ Fri, 7 Apr 2017 - 16:05)  The warmongering west is pushing their luck against Russia with the latest bombing of the Syrian airbase. I find the worldwide outcry against Assad amusing, taking into account there has never been a single shred of evidence that implicates him in any of the so called chemical attacks 'against his own people'. Sadam was killed for far less, yet Assad is walking free. Makes you wonder... What do you mean by "the West" and "their"? It was a unilateral act by the US. |
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Mon, 10 Apr 2017 - 19:09
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 Member Group: Members Posts: 838 Joined: 7 Jun 2010 From: planet earth Member No.: 38,027 |
I had a curry the other night it was swimming in oil I was expecting the Americans to knock at the door invade and liberate it !
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Tue, 11 Apr 2017 - 01:49
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Member Group: Members Posts: 22,678 Joined: 23 Mar 2009 Member No.: 27,239 |
Let's see if the USA takes similar action the next time a phosphorus bomb lands in Gaza
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Tue, 11 Apr 2017 - 06:50
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 Member Group: Members Posts: 1,535 Joined: 16 Jan 2009 From: Up north Member No.: 25,505 |
Who cares if he did or not use chemical weapons. War is war. If you start to have rules then its a game. Plus the use of cruise missiles by America is a violation of Syrian sovereignty. If you agree on principle that another country can intervene in another without permission, then you agree that the only international law that counts is might is right. So on that basis we cannot complain about the Russian intervening in Ukraine or Crimea.
-------------------- Bridges burnt, Rubicons crossed. Parthian shots delivered, but always with style
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Tue, 11 Apr 2017 - 07:21
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QUOTE (oldstoat @ Tue, 11 Apr 2017 - 07:50) Who cares if he did or not use chemical weapons. War is war. If you start to have rules then its a game. 192 UN nations - including Syria and Russia, publicly at least - disagree with you when it comes to chemical weapons. You do have Egypt, Israel and North Korea on your side, though. -------------------- Regards,
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Tue, 11 Apr 2017 - 08:22
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A conspiracy theorist may suggest that Trump needed to fight back on his 'friend of Russia' baggage causing so many issues domestically. Having a friend of Russia commit an act he could use as an excuse to send over some Tomahawks (keeping his friends in the munitions industries happy as they will cost about $100M to replace) and do minimal damage (no valuable aircraft hit, no damage to infrastructure, just some scorch marks on blast shelters) despite the complex Russian supplied air defences Syria has which managed not to do anything at all. Then he could have a staged spat with Vlad' to divert public attention (including some on the right who disapprove of the administration's cosy relationship with Russia) from the congressional enquiry. Some may suggest that would be a good thing for both Trump and Putin and probably not do Assad any harm either.
Just as well I'm not into conspiracies. -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Tue, 11 Apr 2017 - 13:19
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Tue, 11 Apr 2017 - 09:22) A conspiracy theorist may suggest that Trump needed to fight back on his 'friend of Russia' baggage causing so many issues domestically. Having a friend of Russia commit an act he could use as an excuse to send over some Tomahawks (keeping his friends in the munitions industries happy as they will cost about $100M to replace) and do minimal damage (no valuable aircraft hit, no damage to infrastructure, just some scorch marks on blast shelters) despite the complex Russian supplied air defences Syria has which managed not to do anything at all. Then he could have a staged spat with Vlad' to divert public attention (including some on the right who disapprove of the administration's cosy relationship with Russia) from the congressional enquiry. Some may suggest that would be a good thing for both Trump and Putin and probably not do Assad any harm either. Just as well I'm not into conspiracies. Probably the most plausible theory to date. I think Trump launched the missiles due to the internal pressure he faced. He can't be seen to seem weak in the eyes of the people who want him out of office and he can't be going in all guns blazing as he'll alienate all his supporters. Quite a tough spot to be in. Whether that is actually the case remains to be seen as he's already strayed from his campaign promise to stop interfering in the Middle East. |
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Tue, 11 Apr 2017 - 13:42
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Isn't sarin gas so damn potent that even touching the skin of someone affected could kill you or at best do serious damage? Makes you wonder how bad the asbestos fingers are out there seeing as they didn't use any PPE or even gloves when handling the 'bodies'...
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Tue, 11 Apr 2017 - 15:18
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Member Group: Members Posts: 587 Joined: 18 Sep 2008 From: Folkestone, Kent Member No.: 22,623 |
To western eyes the Arabic world is a mass of contradictions.
You only have to research the Arabic concepts of Honour, Dignity, Face and Integrity to begin to appreciate the potential quagmire that awaits western eyes as there is a vast difference in interpretation of these concepts in the Arab world. Who is to say who is correct in these differing interpretations. If you are in their country then you must play by their rules. A contract can be negotiated in the finest detail and only awaits pen being put to paper the next day only to find that, suddenly, the horizons have shifted completely and you are back at the beginning of the process. It ill behoves you to make any comment that could be considered criticism as you inwardly seethe at the weeks of wasted work. What I am getting at is that it is almost impossible to second guess what is going on in Syria as all the participants will have differing views of the problems on the ground. Add to that the politics within the US and the Russians (with yet more differing views of these concepts) and you are likely to be hugely confused. This post has been edited by Lodesman: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 - 15:20 |
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Tue, 11 Apr 2017 - 15:53
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I find it amazing (Not really) that the USA and her allies get upset when Assad gasses (allegedly) his own people, thats a war crime they all shout. However when the USA accidentally bomb and kill a couple of hundred people its merely an error.
One actually happened, the other is alleged to have happened by a country with a track record of making things up. I know which one I think is the real war crime. Dwain |
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Tue, 11 Apr 2017 - 16:51
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QUOTE (Benny.T @ Tue, 11 Apr 2017 - 14:42) Isn't sarin gas so damn potent that even touching the skin of someone affected could kill you or at best do serious damage? Makes you wonder how bad the asbestos fingers are out there seeing as they didn't use any PPE or even gloves when handling the 'bodies'... Sarin is lethal in quantities of 0.01mg/kg (so 0.8mg for an 80kg male) and can be absorbed through the skin. However, it is not a persistent agent and if deployed in liquid form will evaporate within minutes/hours depending on the conditions. -------------------- Moderator
Any comments made do not constitute legal advice and should not be relied upon. No lawyer/client relationship should be assumed nor should any duty of care be owed. |
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Wed, 12 Apr 2017 - 07:18
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QUOTE (Lodesman @ Tue, 11 Apr 2017 - 16:18) If you are in their country then you must play by their rules. Yet when they come and live over here they demand that everyone around them conforms to their beliefs and way of life... |
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Wed, 12 Apr 2017 - 09:21
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,006 Joined: 29 Oct 2013 Member No.: 66,323 |
QUOTE (MFM @ Wed, 12 Apr 2017 - 08:18) QUOTE (Lodesman @ Tue, 11 Apr 2017 - 16:18) If you are in their country then you must play by their rules. Yet when they come and live over here they demand that everyone around them conforms to their beliefs and way of life... No "they" don't. |
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Wed, 12 Apr 2017 - 10:46
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Member Group: Members Posts: 33,634 Joined: 2 Apr 2008 From: Not in the UK Member No.: 18,483 |
QUOTE (Unzippy @ Wed, 12 Apr 2017 - 10:21) QUOTE (MFM @ Wed, 12 Apr 2017 - 08:18) QUOTE (Lodesman @ Tue, 11 Apr 2017 - 16:18) If you are in their country then you must play by their rules. Yet when they come and live over here they demand that everyone around them conforms to their beliefs and way of life... No "they" don't. Some of "them" do, surely? Just as some of "them" don't. Who are "they" anyway? -------------------- Moderator
Any comments made do not constitute legal advice and should not be relied upon. No lawyer/client relationship should be assumed nor should any duty of care be owed. |
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Wed, 12 Apr 2017 - 10:57
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Member Group: Members Posts: 547 Joined: 5 Oct 2012 Member No.: 57,550 |
QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Wed, 12 Apr 2017 - 11:46) QUOTE (Unzippy @ Wed, 12 Apr 2017 - 10:21) QUOTE (MFM @ Wed, 12 Apr 2017 - 08:18) QUOTE (Lodesman @ Tue, 11 Apr 2017 - 16:18) If you are in their country then you must play by their rules. Yet when they come and live over here they demand that everyone around them conforms to their beliefs and way of life... No "they" don't. Some of "them" do, surely? Just as some of "them" don't. Who are "they" anyway? Of course they do. And if anyone is in doubt who 'they' are, immigrants(especially Muslims) from the Middle East since we're talking about Syria. |
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Wed, 12 Apr 2017 - 11:16
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Member Group: Members Posts: 230 Joined: 2 Jun 2015 Member No.: 77,551 |
QUOTE (MFM @ Wed, 12 Apr 2017 - 11:57) QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Wed, 12 Apr 2017 - 11:46) QUOTE (Unzippy @ Wed, 12 Apr 2017 - 10:21) QUOTE (MFM @ Wed, 12 Apr 2017 - 08:18) QUOTE (Lodesman @ Tue, 11 Apr 2017 - 16:18) If you are in their country then you must play by their rules. Yet when they come and live over here they demand that everyone around them conforms to their beliefs and way of life... No "they" don't. Some of "them" do, surely? Just as some of "them" don't. Who are "they" anyway? Of course they do. And if anyone is in doubt who 'they' are, immigrants(especially Muslims) from the Middle East since we're talking about Syria. I think you'll find it's more likely to be middle class white leftists who do this. Most migrants come here because they want to embrace British culture and values and escape what they left behind. Very very few want to create "Londonistan" - yet that's how it's unfortunately portrayed |
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