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skysoft
post Fri, 23 Aug 2019 - 05:22
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A parking charge was issued for parking in hospital in a parking bay not for disable drivers
No disable bays were available at the time
Blue badge was displayed
Terms and conditions displayed, Blue badge holders only in disable bays.
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post Fri, 23 Aug 2019 - 06:25
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First step is to go to PALS at the hospital, mention the equality act (if they provide free parking for BB holders, they must make the same reasonable accommodation (whether they have run out of parking bays or not) also mention that government guidance specifically prohibits penalising genuine patients.


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post Fri, 23 Aug 2019 - 06:49
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What sort of bay was it?

I can’t believe they’d issue a charge for parking in a ‘normal’ bay?


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post Fri, 23 Aug 2019 - 06:56
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The only sensible interpretation of "Blue badge holders only in disabled bays" is "only blue badge holders are are allowed in disabled bays". Seeing it as "Blue badge holders not allowed in normal bays" would be perverse. Are you sure that's why the driver was ticketed?
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post Fri, 23 Aug 2019 - 07:51
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I was assuming (not always a good idea) that the disabled bays (for BB holders) were free and the other pay (somehow), as the OP had a BB he didn't pay. Of course that could be all wrong.

It would help to know whether 'was issued' was by a windscreen ticket or by post.


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post Fri, 23 Aug 2019 - 08:10
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Need OP to confirm exactly why the ticket was issued. Private car parks rarely give any concessions to BB holders (other than bays).


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post Fri, 23 Aug 2019 - 08:20
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It was a parking bay for pay and display

The ticket was on the windscreen
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post Fri, 23 Aug 2019 - 08:26
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Yes, but what was the exact contravention alleged by the ticket\?

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post Fri, 23 Aug 2019 - 08:27
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The reason for the ticket is parking without clearly displaying a valid pay and display ticket
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post Fri, 23 Aug 2019 - 08:33
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Why was there no pay and display ticket ?

Was there free parking in disabled bays if the car was registered at reception ?
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post Fri, 23 Aug 2019 - 08:36
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So what are the conditions of parking for those using the disabled bays?

One of my local hospitals requires BB holders to pay £2 (the minimum charge) for all day.

The other hospital is free for BB holders but you must register at reception before you leave.
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post Fri, 23 Aug 2019 - 08:50
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Free parking for BB but Terms and conditions, Blue badge holders only in disable bays

No available disable bays at the time

BB in London have concession to park on yellow lines free for 3 hours

UKPC is the company
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post Fri, 23 Aug 2019 - 08:50
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QUOTE (skysoft @ Fri, 23 Aug 2019 - 09:48) *
BB in London have concession to park on yellow lines free for 3 hours

Irrelevant.

Can you supply a photo of the signage just to be sure.

But if its free for BB holders they must make the same reasonable accommodation even if they run out of disabled bays, PALS should see this one off easily.


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post Fri, 23 Aug 2019 - 09:21
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QUOTE (skysoft @ Fri, 23 Aug 2019 - 09:50) *
BB in London have concession to park on yellow lines free for 3 hours


Read your leaflet that came with the BB
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post Fri, 23 Aug 2019 - 10:14
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Is there a required percentage for the company to provide disable bays for example 2% of the numbers of parking spaces ?

On my ticket there is the time seen 15:31 and issue time 15:43 which gives only 12 minutes to a normal person to get buy a ticket, how long does it take a disable person to do the same ?

Don't know how to supply signage and can someone tell me what is PALS please
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post Fri, 23 Aug 2019 - 10:24
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PALS = Patient Advice and Liaison Service. Every hospital should have one.

The time seen is the first time the warden noticed the car in breach and they waited 12 minutes to issue the ticket

You take a photo of the signage and post it on here or a photo hosting site such as imgur and link it to here.
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post Fri, 23 Aug 2019 - 10:28
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PALS is the hospital's Patient Advice and Liaison Service

See the faq about hosting pictures at tinypic or similar and posting the link

On my ticket there is the time seen 15:31 and issue time 15:43 which gives only 12 minutes to a normal person to get buy a ticket, how long does it take a disable person to do the same ?

If the parking was free, why is this relevant ?

Did the driver pay but delayed or did he/she rely on the Blue Badge to be exempt ?

What were the terms and conditions - park in the disabled bay and display the badge or, in addition, register the car ?

It won't help an appeal but I see a possible defence to a court claim that the operation is not in accordance with Best Practice as described in the NHS 07-03 Technical Memorandum for hospital parking

It says that, in view of the uncertain nature of hospital appointments, motorists cannot know how long they will stay
Parking should therefore be pay on exit


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post Fri, 23 Aug 2019 - 10:44
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This is what it says at my local hospital.
I can park in any bay free if I display my BB.
Seems confusing to have different t’s and c’s for different car parks but it is a different company that manages it.
The Legion one.

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post Fri, 23 Aug 2019 - 14:06
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In the text I can't read at the bottom of that sign does it mention anything at all about UKPC?

Are you suggesting that there are 2 different parking companies on site, UKPC and this Legion Group?

I presume so far that this is only a windscreen ticket and noting in the post.
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post Fri, 23 Aug 2019 - 14:18
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I think that post has nothing to do with the OP’s case. Only the terms at the material car park matter - there’s no universal standard! (Even for hospitals)


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PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information

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