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PCN NEVER RECEIVED - WESTMINISTER COUNCIL!, No Right Turn PCN!
MarcusN
post Thu, 10 Jan 2019 - 10:31
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Hi all,

I'm in need of some help!

I received a charge certificate from Westminster Council yesterday asking for £195!!!!! This is ridiculous as I never received the initial PCN. This has left in in a right state as it doesn't even supply and details about making a challenge, so i'm screwed.

How do I go about writing a letter stating I never received the initial letter or should I try and find the money to pay?

Also, when looking at the images online today, I don't remember the no right no at the John Islip junction being visible?

Please help

Thanks

Marcus
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post Thu, 10 Jan 2019 - 10:36
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Press "report" and ask a mod. to move your post to the correct forum.


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MarcusN
post Thu, 10 Jan 2019 - 10:48
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thanks, which forum would be best suited
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post Thu, 10 Jan 2019 - 10:50
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QUOTE (MarcusN @ Thu, 10 Jan 2019 - 10:48) *
thanks, which forum would be best suited

Try the one for Council PCNs.


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post Thu, 10 Jan 2019 - 11:17
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Hi,

Is the car concerned registered to you?
Get your V5C out. Is the name and address EXACTLY correct? What is the DOC REF DATE at bottom of page 2?

This looks like the no right turn in question: https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4896739,-0....3312!8i6656

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post Thu, 10 Jan 2019 - 11:30
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You need "Council Parking Tickets & Clamping and Decriminalised Notices" the next forum down in the list from this one.

I've asked a Mod to move it for you.


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post Thu, 10 Jan 2019 - 11:39
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Hi Ohnoes,

The car is a lease vehicle, so i'm not the registered owner, does this matter?

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post Thu, 10 Jan 2019 - 12:02
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QUOTE (MarcusN @ Thu, 10 Jan 2019 - 11:39) *
Hi Ohnoes,

The car is a lease vehicle, so i'm not the registered owner, does this matter?

And the Charge Certificate was addressed to who?


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post Thu, 10 Jan 2019 - 12:11
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Myself
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post Thu, 10 Jan 2019 - 12:34
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QUOTE (MarcusN @ Thu, 10 Jan 2019 - 12:11) *
Myself

There is a straightforward solution to reset but we need to clear this up first.

You are not RK but have a Notice in your name.

What arrangements are there with the lease co when you incur a PCN?
It seems they've formally transferred liability to you but I'm not sure how. It can normally only
be done for vehicles 'hired' for a period less than 6 months. (I think).


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MarcusN
post Thu, 10 Jan 2019 - 12:47
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yes not the RK but have the lease for 3 years.

Any PCN's or notices are directed to myself to settle
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post Thu, 10 Jan 2019 - 12:53
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QUOTE (MarcusN @ Thu, 10 Jan 2019 - 12:47) *
Any PCN's or notices are directed to myself to settle

I asked who it was addressed to and you answered 'you'.

Better worded, whose name is on the Notice, under the piece of paper?


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MarcusN
post Thu, 10 Jan 2019 - 12:56
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Sorry Neil, the PCN is addressed to me.

There is a delay in me receiving these as the Council would reach out to the owner Volkswagen Finance and in turn they would then give my details as the lease owner
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post Thu, 10 Jan 2019 - 13:08
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QUOTE (MarcusN @ Thu, 10 Jan 2019 - 12:56) *
Volkswagen Finance and in turn they would then give my details as the lease owner

and I don't think they can but we'll argue about that later.

You now just wait for the next Notice, 'Order of Recovery' and make a Statutory Declaration to the effect 'no PCN received'.
The matter will be reset and a new PCN issued. Bring that here.

Let us know if you don't receive the OfR by the end of the month.
Is that CC dated 7/1 ? Image is hard to make out.


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post Thu, 10 Jan 2019 - 13:10
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Yes dated 07/01, can I not just contest this one stating the original was never received?
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post Thu, 10 Jan 2019 - 13:20
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QUOTE (MarcusN @ Thu, 10 Jan 2019 - 12:56) *
Sorry Neil, the PCN is addressed to me.

There is a delay in me receiving these as the Council would reach out to the owner Volkswagen Finance and in turn they would then give my details as the lease owner


AFAI liability cannot be transferred where a vehicle is hired/leased for more than 6 months.

Follow the advice given and see whether a pcn is eventually issued to you. It will be interesting if it is!

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MarcusN
post Thu, 10 Jan 2019 - 13:24
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thanks spaceman, however the PCN was issued to me in my name and address
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post Thu, 10 Jan 2019 - 13:25
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QUOTE (MarcusN @ Thu, 10 Jan 2019 - 13:10) *
Yes dated 07/01, can I not just contest this one stating the original was never received?

Doing that, stepping out of process, nearly always throws a spanner in the works.


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MarcusN
post Thu, 10 Jan 2019 - 13:43
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Ok thanks as my wife is worried about it going to a debt recovery agent
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MarcusN
post Thu, 10 Jan 2019 - 14:48
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Can anyone help or provide a template for a letter please
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