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[NIP Wizard] Accidentally crept through red light, NIP sent, what to expect (never had an NIP before).
Fragglesque
post Sat, 16 Jan 2021 - 08:18
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NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? -
Date of the offence: - January 2021
Date of the NIP: - 4 days after the offence
Date you received the NIP: - 5 days after the offence
Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - Lewes Road A270 google link - A270, Brighton
https://goo.gl/maps/AVxbDR5T5LdAqEtz8 (I’ll have to check the exact location as listed when I’m off my work shift.
Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes
Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - Not known
If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? -
How many current points do you have? - 0
Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - Accidentally crawled through a red light trying to find a new build not listed on a sat nav, sat nav giving incorrect instructions (understand this is not legal mitigation). Stopped on other side of red light when I realised

NIP Wizard Responses
These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation:
Have you received a NIP? - Yes
Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - Yes
Did the first NIP arrive within 14 days? - Yes
Although you are the Registered Keeper, were you also the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes
Were you driving? - Yes
Which country did the alleged offence take place in? - England

NIP Wizard Recommendation
Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:
  • The law requires you to provide the information requested in the Section 172 notice within the 28 day period, naming yourself as the driver. If you are considering obtaining formal legal advice, do so before returning the notice.

    You should note that there is nothing to be gained by responding any earlier than you have to at any stage of the process. You are likely to receive a Conditional Offer of a Fixed Penalty (COFP) and further reminder(s). If you want to continue the fight, you should ignore all correspondence from the police until you receive a summons. You need to understand from the outset that while you will receive much help and support from members on the forums, you will need to put time and effort into fighting your case and ultimately be prepared to stand up in court to defend yourself.

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The Rookie
post Thu, 4 Feb 2021 - 07:06
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Because that’s not a legally required document and has no specific format, it is in fact just a courtesy, so there is no need for it to explain anything at all.


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Fragglesque
post Thu, 6 May 2021 - 14:38
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So my SJPN has arrived today, I'm just trying to work out the wording of my mitigation. I'm just wondering whether its worth mentioning about the stress of 2 of my relatives passing and 1 being seriously ill at the time, and that I'd been working NHS Covid frontline thought and had a pretty horrid run of jobs in the month preceding this, or whether that makes no odds, and would just lead them to question whether I was too stressed to have been driving?
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post Thu, 6 May 2021 - 15:13
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You got it right at the end, suggesting you were so stressed you shouldn't have been driving is aggravating not mitigating. If you have no mitigation best say nothing at all.


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post Thu, 6 May 2021 - 15:36
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Thu, 6 May 2021 - 16:13) *
You got it right at the end, suggesting you were so stressed you shouldn't have been driving is aggravating not mitigating. If you have no mitigation best say nothing at all.


Mitigation wise I've just mentioned that I navigated to an incorrectly plotted postcode for a new building that had been recently finished, went through the lightt slowly, stopped when I realised to swap insurance details incase I'd caused and accident and to see if anyone needed medical attention, and that I've never had fines or endorsements in the 20 odd years I've been driving.

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I fully accept responsibility for the offence, and would like to take the opportunity that this instance was completely out of character, I have held a full U.K. license since November 2001 and in that time have had no endorsements or fines on my license.

At the time I was searching for a brand new address (the new Brighton ambulance station) which had only opened weeks before and the postcode had plotted to this road. With no obvious access to the address being found, I misunderstood the traffic light and filter lane ahead and drove through at I believe less than 20 miles per hour accidentally. On realising my mistake I did stop in the filter lane to the left hand side to see if anything could be done to mitigate any danger I had caused, to ensure I had not caused an accident and if I had to offer medical assistance in line with my professional training and to potentially swap insurance details. On being assured that no collisions had occurred and seeing another car pull up behind me in the filter lane, I once again proceeded to use the filter lane to pull off the A270 and clear the way for vehicles proceeding behind me.

As someone who drives professionally and works in an industry where taking responsibility, striving for improvement and acting with integrity are paramount, the weight of this prosecution lays heavily on my conscience and I am keen to offer my sincere apologies for this incident and to learn and improve from this experience.
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post Thu, 6 May 2021 - 15:49
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Send by all means, don’t expect it to make any difference AT ALL. Quite literally none.


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post Thu, 6 May 2021 - 15:59
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QUOTE (Fragglesque @ Thu, 6 May 2021 - 16:36) *
Mitigation wise I've just mentioned that I navigated to an incorrectly plotted postcode for a new building that had been recently finished, went through the lightt slowly, stopped when I realised to swap insurance details incase I'd caused and accident and to see if anyone needed medical attention, and that I've never had fines or endorsements in the 20 odd years I've been driving.

There was no accident, so even don't suggest that there might have been. That makes a fairly trivial offence sound much worse than it was.

And your clean driving record will make no difference.

The less said the better.
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post Thu, 6 May 2021 - 16:00
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Thu, 6 May 2021 - 16:49) *
Send by all means, don’t expect it to make any difference AT ALL. Quite literally none.


Even from a personal point of view it gets it off my chest that I did well and truly cock up.
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post Thu, 6 May 2021 - 16:11
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QUOTE (666 @ Thu, 6 May 2021 - 16:59) *
The less said the better.

I think so too - the last thing you want is for the SJ to refer it to court.


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PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request

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post Thu, 6 May 2021 - 19:55
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So if you remove anything which implies this was a more serious incident than it was, and make a couple of corrections you are left with:


I fully accept responsibility for the offence, and would like to take the opportunity to state that this instance was completely out of character. I have held a full U.K. licence since November 2001 and in that time have had no endorsements on my licence or any fines.

At the time I was searching for a brand new address (the new Brighton ambulance station) which had only opened weeks before and the postcode had plotted to this road. With no obvious access to the address being found, I misunderstood the traffic light and filter lane ahead and drove through at I believe less than 20 miles per hour, without causing any danger or inconvenience to any other traffic.


As explained, this will not make the slightest difference but this version should at least not make matters worse. Many people do feel that they want to explain what happened and why, although recognising it makes no difference.


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Fragglesque
post Thu, 10 Jun 2021 - 06:48
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So fine and points received from single justice service, fine paid and the email says the DVLA will ask for my license if they need it. I’ve read quite a lot about people getting extra fines for not sending their license to the DVLA, even though they didn’t know they needed to. Is this still something the DVLA do, or is it all done via their database now? Should I be expecting them to ask me to send my driving license card in?
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post Thu, 10 Jun 2021 - 07:10
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QUOTE (Fragglesque @ Thu, 10 Jun 2021 - 07:48) *
I’ve read quite a lot about people getting extra fines for not sending their license to the DVLA, even though they didn’t know they needed to.

I think what you mean by that is that they ended up with a larger fine by not sending the licence to the fixed penalty office and their case ending up in court. You are way past that stage. There is no concept of a fine for not sending your licence to DVLA.

As long as the court and DVLA are both sure they know the identity of the person convicted that will be the end of it.


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post Thu, 10 Jun 2021 - 14:21
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Thu, 10 Jun 2021 - 08:10) *
QUOTE (Fragglesque @ Thu, 10 Jun 2021 - 07:48) *
I’ve read quite a lot about people getting extra fines for not sending their license to the DVLA, even though they didn’t know they needed to.

I think what you mean by that is that they ended up with a larger fine by not sending the licence to the fixed penalty office and their case ending up in court. You are way past that stage. There is no concept of a fine for not sending your licence to DVLA.

As long as the court and DVLA are both sure they know the identity of the person convicted that will be the end of it.

Thanks, good to know.
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