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DancingDad
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Thu, 22 Feb 2018 - 06:23) *
QUOTE (Redivi @ Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 04:22) *
Let off with £120 fine

Some reports are saying £285, with some stating that inluded costs (though costs of £165 seem high).........


£120 fine
£30 victim surcharge
£135 Costs
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QUOTE (bdh198 @ Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 16:41) *
........Thank you very much Pastmybest...! That's taken me to a very helpful part of the 2016 regulations. I had thought that this exception had not been included in the 2016 regulations.

But it is an exception for Public Service Vehicles, not hire cars or taxis.
PSVs are normally passenger carrying vehicles with 9 seats or more.
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QUOTE (Mad Mick V @ Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 18:07) *
.........--do school markings have to have a sign-plate?

Mick


Yes to be enforceable.
The sign makes the markings you must not stop.
Otherwise they are simply suggestive that you should not stop.
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QUOTE (Zwypl @ Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 16:21) *
QUOTE (hcandersen @ Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 16:06) *
You've chosen to read the sign as 'stopping is permitted other than at the following times' and argue that as stopping is a more onerous restriction than waiting that therefore waiting must be permitted.

But that's not what the sign says, it says that stopping is not permitted between A and B, it is silent on what other restrictions might apply outside this time other than stopping which is not prohibited.


This "silence" of the sign is deafening or defining to persuade an innocent motorist that "parking" is permitted out of the "stopping" hours.

Signs are there to be helpful not misleading.

That is the only issue I can see.

The DYLs need no sign and indeed although old ones that have pole mounted, No Waiting roundel and "At Any Time" can be seen occasionally this is discouraged by regulations and guidance.
However, certainly where single yellows are concerned and times of No Stopping and No Waiting are not the same, guidance says that a local No Waiting sign should be used in conjunction with the No Stopping.
Else people are likely to confuse.
I see little different in this potential for confusion, a ruddy great big sign with times on is always likely to catch someone's eye and lead them into error.
And error easily mitigated with an additional No Waiting, At Any Time.... though I think this would need to be authorised.
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There seems to be a suspicion that permit has a cross on January and on 25(th)
This may be photo and simply an impression from where a previous permit was filled in.
You have the original, does it look like it has been altered ????

And where was the permit when you picked up the car ?
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QUOTE (bm1957 @ Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 16:51) *
If it was really that dangerous a turning for bikes, wouldn't it make sense to travel 10' more and take the next turning? Visibility is perfect from there.


Not for people coming up from behind and who may also be drifting across the lines... many do swing wide on corners.

Must admit I would be concerned on a bike, simply no protection if a driver does drift into the area.
I reckon Rookie's idea of solid white lines on far side and leading into the corner makes sense.
Doesn't help the immediate though
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QUOTE (Jlc @ Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 13:56) *
Is the followup question whether they can catch speeding motorists?


Is there a prize for getting the answer right ? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE (nigelbb @ Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 13:53) *
Refusing to donate to a charity because some employees behaved badly is like refusing to shop at Tesco because one of their employees behaved badly.


Uhm.
One hurts innocent people that the charity is supposed to be helping.
The other hurts a multi million pound private business that exists solely on selling goods to customers.


QUOTE (Fredd @ Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 12:10) *
A lot of charities seem to have mislaid their moral compass, ...........


I'm not sure many had one to start with.

While I'm not too fussed if a charity worker has an urge and scratches it with a prostitute wherever, some of the reports suggest it went further, grooming people they were supposed to be helping.
Big issue to me is that the managers and ultimately directors seem to have condoned the whole issue.
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Just had a quick squint at those... signs not adequate is a repeated theme.
All with TPT numbers though names have been redacted so can be referenced in support of any case and in claims for costs.
MCC have repeatedly been told that signs are not adequate and that the appellant has won due to this.
But ignored and still rejected on basis that signs were adequate (plus OOT issue)
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Posted on: Yesterday, 11:45


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Where was the permit when you picked up the car ?

Don't miss deadline to challenge waiting on photos
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QUOTE (hcandersen @ Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 10:58) *
There cannot be a NOR. ........


According to earlier posts, Enterprise tried to transfer liability and this was knocked back by Newham.
Only method of transferring officially is via a challenge to NTO.
Only method of knock back, is an NOR.

Yes, OP may have misunderstood and yes, I agree with you on getting the facts and case straight with Enterprise.
But am not as relaxed on dismissing what seems to have happened because we have not seen the paperwork.
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QUOTE (Redivi @ Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 03:37) *
Would expect most new machinery to be shiny scrap after a few months because nobody will have the resources, skills or specialist spare parts to maintain and repair it


Aye, difficult to get those things in admin offices in UK.
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QUOTE (Redivi @ Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 03:22) *
Let off with £120 fine


More like let off with the breach of community order, that was dropped by police/CPS
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Posted on: Yesterday, 10:48


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I am going to disagree with HCA here.

There is an NOR though we have not seen it.
That gives Enterprise or their representative opportunity to appeal to adjudication.
Enterprise have IMO given you that authority.
Use it.
To appeal to adjudicators, not to council.

Enterprise have not covered themselves with glory and there are many issues that may well allow a contractual argument with them.
But this is not PCN it is contract.

The PCN side has a route, IMO use it.
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Posted on: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 - 21:19


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Okay, got you.
I can see the pole that the sign was on, the wall is distinctive.

Council will say that as the normal parking restriction was not operative until 8am you were not parked in a designated parking bay.
This is incorrect, the bay is there 24/7, unrestricted until 8am but still there.
And you were lawfully parked in it.
Chllenge on the 10minute rule, expect a rejection but don't panic on that.
Include the regulations or at least a reference to it within the challenge.
Post up what you get back.
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Posted on: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 - 17:44


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QUOTE
3) The prohibition in sub-paragraph (1) does not, in respect of a box junction within sub-paragraph (6)(a) of the definition of that expression, apply to a person who—
(a)causes a vehicle to enter the box junction for the purpose of turning right; and
(b)stops the vehicle within the box junction for so long as the vehicle is prevented from completing the right turn by an oncoming vehicle or other vehicle which is stationary whilst waiting to complete a right turn.


I'm not sure if the exemption would count as, by the sound of it, you were blocked by vehicles outside the box and they had thus completed the turn.
Otherwise, cannot see why the exemption would not count.

But wait and see what the post brings.
I assume V5c (registration document) all up to date with correct address ??
And is your car not leased ?
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Posted on: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 - 16:42


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QUOTE (notmeatloaf @ Tue, 20 Feb 2018 - 15:06) *
If you had a head on collision could an insurance company argue that it was de facto not safe though as both of you were in an area where neither of you had priority? Or is "safe" a judgement that doesn't change whether or not you collided?


Of course they will.
A vehicle being where they should not be (or at least where hatchings are there to discourage) cannot be easily seen as blameless.
50/50 would be IMO very likely result.
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Posted on: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 - 16:09


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Thank gawd for that.... I've edited my post above.

Some more photos of area and where signs are would not do any harm at all.
And council ones if you can get them.

But IMO, 10 minute rule applies and this trumps anything else.
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Posted on: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 - 14:35


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I'm just worried about timing.
While all this to and fro is going on, clock has not only ticked but expired.
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Posted on: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 - 14:15


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IMO 10 minute rule applies.
Parked in a designated parking space until 8am when suspension kicks in.
No PCN can be served until 10 minutes have elapsed, ie 8.11am.

The CEO has jumped the gun, tough.

Deleted...wrong road, above applies
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Posted on: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 - 13:46


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QUOTE (peterguk @ Tue, 20 Feb 2018 - 12:52) *
I would not wait in the hatched area. The hatched area is there for a good reason.

Not necessary to enter them apart from crossing them as part of the turn.

A lot depends on the usual speed for the road, I'm assuming 30 given the chicanes before and after.
Good visibility towards the bend but a little blind coming the other way.
I'd not use the hatching in a car, IMO less chance of being smacked from behind then if someone cuts the corner
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Posted on: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 - 11:50


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QUOTE (hcandersen @ Tue, 20 Feb 2018 - 11:38) *
If you have the key matters in writing, may we seem them please.

At present the LAW does not permit you to make reps (in your name) to the council IRRESPECTIVE of any letters to the contrary.

You may only make reps if they issued a NTO in your name, to do which they would have had to cancel the one to Enterprise.

This is the law and the authority cannot purport to change this without consequences, in this case dealing you a winning hand.

So do you have a NTO in your name from the authority?


IMO as this has passed NTO stage and is at appeal stage, not quite as cut an dried as that.
There has been an NTO, challenged on hire ground and rejected.
From the NOR the hire company can appeal to adjudicators.
Or the hire company's authorised representative can act on their behalf.
Which would be Sab as they have that authority in writing.

My issue is whether or not the appeal will go ahead as the PCN has been paid.
Obviously depends to a great extent on whether or not the council object.

But I see no reason why an appeal cannot be registered, grounds cited (rejection of hire ground for starters but need to see what Enterprise sent) and take each step as it comes.

We do need to see all paperwork you have to work out what grounds to use for appeal.
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Posted on: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 - 10:49


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QUOTE (frankmartins @ Tue, 20 Feb 2018 - 09:26) *
So on a very long box junction, you can see the exit road is clear for 3 cars. You are second in the queue at the red light. The light goes green and the car in front enters the junction as the exit is clear. Are you expected to wait for them to clear the box and clear enough space for you first?

......


That is the only safe way of doing it.
Only enter when your exit is clear.
Otherwise the risk is always there that traffic will stop and if you are up the chuff of the car in front, you are looking at £130 donation to the council.
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Posted on: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 - 10:42


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Nice one.
Well done for persevering.

" I am satisfied on this occasion that there are in fact adequate grounds to cancel the Penalty Charge Notice. "

Very sedate words to say "We mucked up and have cancelled"
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Posted on: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 - 01:59


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Bleah
One where signs follow exact stipulations but need also to follow guidance.
While generally DYLs need no signs and no reason why the school zigzags and DYLs cannot coexist, there is a danger that someone will read school signs and confuse
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