44 in a 30, Threads merged x4 |
Helping the motorist get justice 
Helping the motorist get justice
44 in a 30, Threads merged x4 |
 Wed, 17 Apr 2019 - 11:19
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Hi Everyone
This seems like the best place to post on the net. I was stopped by an officer with a speed gun, was told I was doing 44 in a 30 asked to hop out and supply ID however I only had bank card. He did not do anything asked if I had any previous I replied no firs time being stopped. He went over to his car and checked said yes you are correct. So asked for my name and me to sign his ipad. He did explain I was "on the cusp" of the speed awareness course but over by 2mph - showed me his table on the tablet. He said it still could be a possibility seeing as it is my first offence and 12/13 years of driving. Does anybody have any experience of the potential outcomes? He did not give me any paperwork just said I should receive a NIP through the post I'm sure he said 4-6 months I could be wrong? or misheard him. The net mentions all kinds of fines possible? not sure what to believe it is the metropolitan police. What am I likely to get? has anybody been offered an awareness course? at this kind of speed. |
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Wed, 17 Apr 2019 - 11:27
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No chance, all areas stick rigidly to the national guidelines for courses. You should get a fixed penalty of £100 + 3 points. Either the officer did not know or wanted to avoid a confrontation.
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Wed, 17 Apr 2019 - 13:47
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Member Group: Members Posts: 11 Joined: 17 Apr 2019 Member No.: 103,466 |
Hi All
44 in a 30 - was given a verbal NIP (you do not have to say anything...) Officer said I was on the cusp of a awareness course however if not a FPN. Having read a lot on this site I understand I could/should have got a TOR? I'm worried maybe that the NIP I get through may have something else written on it? or am I being paranoid? Any help is appreciated? also can I expect 3 points and £100 fine? Very worried but waiting patiently. |
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Wed, 17 Apr 2019 - 13:54
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 Member Group: Members Posts: 41,580 Joined: 25 Aug 2011 From: Planet Earth Member No.: 49,223 |
You are being paranoid.
You'll receive a CoFP in the post shortly*. (It's too fast for a course) * unless they decide to go to court but that's unlikely QUOTE (thehumble100 @ Wed, 17 Apr 2019 - 14:47)  Any help is appreciated? also can I expect 3 points and £100 fine? Yes. -------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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Wed, 17 Apr 2019 - 15:10
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 Member Group: Members Posts: 56,260 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
QUOTE (thehumble100 @ Wed, 17 Apr 2019 - 14:47) 44 in a 30 - was given a verbal NIP (you do not have to say anything...) That’s not a verbal NIP! 
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Wed, 17 Apr 2019 - 15:48
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Member Group: Members Posts: 11 Joined: 17 Apr 2019 Member No.: 103,466 |
QUOTE (The Rookie @ Wed, 17 Apr 2019 - 16:10) QUOTE (thehumble100 @ Wed, 17 Apr 2019 - 14:47) 44 in a 30 - was given a verbal NIP (you do not have to say anything...) That’s not a verbal NIP! Hi making me worried now? so what did I get? officer did say it was going to be reported. |
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Wed, 17 Apr 2019 - 15:55
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Member Group: Members Posts: 3,316 Joined: 17 Jun 2011 Member No.: 47,602 |
QUOTE (thehumble100 @ Wed, 17 Apr 2019 - 16:48) QUOTE (The Rookie @ Wed, 17 Apr 2019 - 16:10) QUOTE (thehumble100 @ Wed, 17 Apr 2019 - 14:47) 44 in a 30 - was given a verbal NIP (you do not have to say anything...) That’s not a verbal NIP! Hi making me worried now? so what did I get? officer did say it was going to be reported. The law requires you to be "warned at the time the offence was committed that the question of prosecuting him for some one or other of the offences to which this section applies would be taken into consideration". It sounds as if you were, so no written NIP is required. |
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Wed, 17 Apr 2019 - 16:56
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Member Group: Members Posts: 11 Joined: 17 Apr 2019 Member No.: 103,466 |
So the likeyhood is that I will receive a Fixed Penalty Notice through the Post? 3 points and £100?
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Wed, 17 Apr 2019 - 17:10
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Member Group: Members Posts: 41,580 Joined: 25 Aug 2011 From: Planet Earth Member No.: 49,223 |
Yup.
-------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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Thu, 18 Apr 2019 - 13:29
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Member Group: Members Posts: 11 Joined: 17 Apr 2019 Member No.: 103,466 |
44 in a 30
My question is should I pay the £100 and take the 3 penalty endorsements (best option) Or call the number on the letter (inquiries) and ask if I can be considered for a speed awareness course. Seeing as 12/14 years of driving etc first offence. Or am I being stupid and should just take the punishment? |
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Thu, 18 Apr 2019 - 13:34
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Member Group: Members Posts: 19 Joined: 27 Oct 2016 Member No.: 88,059 |
44 in a 30 is too high to meet the criteria to be offered a course.
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Thu, 18 Apr 2019 - 13:38
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Member Group: Members Posts: 11 Joined: 17 Apr 2019 Member No.: 103,466 |
The form sent back to me didn’t say my speed.
Has there ever been an occasion where you can call up and ask? My thinking is if I pay over the telephone services now and post the form signed with my drivers license today special delivery I won’t get the chance to ask?! About the course |
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Thu, 18 Apr 2019 - 13:47
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Member Group: Members Posts: 11 Joined: 17 Apr 2019 Member No.: 103,466 |
Wow they did not waste any time. Paper come through today no sign of the course grrrrr
Asked me to pay and complete form and send off license to the conditional unit at dvla 3 points and £100 thanks for all the advise guys. My last question is I understand the endorsements last 3 years on the license but come off on the 4th? So does that I mean after 3 years I don’t need to tell the insurance company? |
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Thu, 18 Apr 2019 - 14:00
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Member Group: Members Posts: 11 Joined: 17 Apr 2019 Member No.: 103,466 |
I understand the endorsements last 3 years on the license but come off on the 4th? So does that I mean after 3 years I don’t need to tell the insurance company?
Can anybody possibly let me know how much their premium went up by with 3 points ? On their records... My renewal is in June and I will have to let them know! |
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Thu, 18 Apr 2019 - 14:08
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,217 Joined: 24 Mar 2013 From: Scotland Member No.: 60,732 |
QUOTE (thehumble100 @ Thu, 18 Apr 2019 - 15:00) I understand the endorsements last 3 years on the license but come off on the 4th? So does that I mean after 3 years I don’t need to tell the insurance company? It depends on what they ask. Normally I've seen them ask if there were any convictions in the last five years, in which case obviously you would have to tell them. |
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Thu, 18 Apr 2019 - 14:10
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Member Group: Members Posts: 11 Joined: 17 Apr 2019 Member No.: 103,466 |
Some forums suggesting 3 points barely affected their premium maybe £40-60 higher
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Thu, 18 Apr 2019 - 14:20
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,260 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
You won't be sending your licence to the DVLA but the Police.
If requested you have to tell insurers for 5 years. -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Thu, 18 Apr 2019 - 14:36
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,260 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
Please stop starting new threads, forum rules are one case, one thread. I've asked a Mod to merge for you.
-------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Thu, 18 Apr 2019 - 14:48
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Thu, 18 Apr 2019 - 15:36) Please stop starting new threads, forum rules are one case, one thread. I've asked a Mod to merge for you. This is four I've merged now, all relating to the same case. OP, I'm not merging any more, I'll just delete the next one. -------------------- Regards,
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