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ccfc100
post Sat, 21 Apr 2018 - 08:55
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My son has just recieved a PCN from NCP in Yorkshire with ANPR pictures of his car entering a car park and leaving 9 minutes later at 3.21 am.
He was picking up a friend who was in town
Although im keen for my son to learn the lesson, im also angered by the demand of £100 or £60 if paid early.
My question is....
He did pull into a car park and didnt pay for a ticket albeit for 9 minutes in the early hours
Would he win with POPLA?

Any help is appreciated

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post Sat, 21 Apr 2018 - 09:19
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The BPA Code of practice allows for a 10 minute grace period ( as does the IPC) if the time parked was as you state 9 minutes it falls into the grace period and NCP who, are bound by this so called code of practice shouldnt have even accesed your sons details via the DVLA and thengone on to use/process his data
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post Sat, 21 Apr 2018 - 09:49
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Many thanks for the quick reply

I’ve actually seen the letter now, not posted in anger and taken a teenagers word for it.
It’s 14 minutes so doesn’t fall under any grace period

Appreciate the response anyway as I didn’t know that

Given that, does anyone think he’s got a chance of winning via POPLA?
Facts are...
He entered the NCP car park at 3.21am
waited for his friend for 14 minutes
didn’t buy a ticket
drive out

Advice is always appreciated
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post Sat, 21 Apr 2018 - 13:29
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He is unlikely to win at POPLA using the grace period as he exceeded the 10 mins. I suggest that you post a redacted copy of the PCN on here for comment. There may be other angles you can use depending on how compliant the PCN is with POFA.
I also suggest that you remove the inference as to who was driving. Never admit to who was driving as that closes off some angles! Make the PPC work as hard as possible! You need to make them default to chasing the keeper not the driver.
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post Sat, 21 Apr 2018 - 14:43
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his old is the registered keeper of the vehicle?
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In which case wait for the NtK to land on his doormat. If it is non-cplisnt with POFA then it is an easy win. You must delete any mention of who the driver was. The PPCs look at these forums!
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post Sat, 21 Apr 2018 - 17:27
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And whatever happens not to worry. It's ncp. They don't do court.
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post Sat, 21 Apr 2018 - 20:29
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QUOTE (Macapaca @ Sat, 21 Apr 2018 - 15:50) *
In which case wait for the NtK to land on his doormat. If it is non-cplisnt with POFA then it is an easy win. You must delete any mention of who the driver was. The PPCs look at these forums!

The NTK has already arrived, that is the subject of this thread.
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post Sat, 21 Apr 2018 - 22:17
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Thanks for the help so far

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post Fri, 27 Apr 2018 - 09:17
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Image of PCN
Attached File(s)
Attached File  NCP.pdf ( 250.18K ) Number of downloads: 51
 
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post Fri, 27 Apr 2018 - 09:20
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So is it compliant with POFA Scheduele 4 para 8?
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post Fri, 27 Apr 2018 - 09:27
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NTK in the post, para 9. You've hidden the dates, it could just be that it misses the 14 days for delivery using the assumed 2 days from posting.
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post Fri, 27 Apr 2018 - 09:55
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Date of sending is 10 days after date of incident
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post Fri, 27 Apr 2018 - 10:05
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OK so they could just have scraped in. The 14 days is the time till it is received. Posted on a Friday gives till the Tuesday for it to be delivered.
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post Fri, 27 Apr 2018 - 10:12
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Just give the dates.
ITs useful to know.
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post Fri, 27 Apr 2018 - 10:53
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HI

Sorry guys I wasn't sure what to redact in case of giving too much away

Date of incident 08/04/18
Date of sending this notice 18/04/18
Date received 21/04/18
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post Fri, 27 Apr 2018 - 11:16
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SO in time
So you need to check the other elements of POFA compliance
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Fails to disclose the period of parking in breach of POFA Schedule 4 Para 9(2)(a)
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post Sat, 28 Apr 2018 - 22:08
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No it has the date and time car entered and exited. It’s been blanked out by me before uploading.

Don’t want to pay but not sure if going to get away with this one.

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post Sat, 28 Apr 2018 - 22:27
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Oh come on, it's poxy NCP! I can't believe I am reading a poster on pepipoo actually saying they think they can't win against NCP!

No-one pays their PCNs, for the love of God this is nothing to worry about. You would be setting a terrible example to your son if you fall for this scam by paying it.

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It’s 14 minutes so doesn’t fall under any grace period
It may do, because the 10 minutes is not set in stone and it was dark and the signs will have been unlit (a favourite trick of private parking firms). So to have discovered the parking terms would have taken longer in the dark, because no signs would have been visible at all on arrival and without getting out of the car and getting up close with a phone as a torch!

NCP normally back down when faced with the usual long POPLA appeal from a registered keeper. Templates are in the NEWBIES thread on MSE.



The lesson for your son is how to beat a scam and not be intimidated by an impersonation of a parking ticket. Show him the Parliamentary debate video and both of you open your eyes to what this really is (and it's not a parking ticket):

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showth...d.php?t=5787731

https://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/2f038...918?in=12:49:41

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