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SPARKY26
post Sat, 16 Mar 2019 - 14:37
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Hi all a friend has been caught speeding but she is on holiday here and goes back to new Zealand next week. the NIP came to the RK today. Does the RK just fill it out putting down the person who was driving address in NZ. Will they then send the NIP to her in NZ. she also has a UK driving licence and a NZ licence. What is the likely outcome of this.
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post Sat, 16 Mar 2019 - 14:45
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The police will be suspicious about an overseas driver who has gone home. They will ask for proof she was insured (her NZ insurance will NOT cover her) and something like travel documents to prove she was in the UK. Failing that, they are likely to pursue the RK for permitting driving with no insurance. Depending on the speed she may be offered a fixed penalty or a court appearance, and point will go on her UK licence.

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post Sat, 16 Mar 2019 - 17:05
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QUOTE (Logician @ Sat, 16 Mar 2019 - 14:45) *
The police will be suspicious about an overseas driver who has gone home. They will ask for proof she was insured (her NZ insurance will NOT cover her) and something like travel documents to prove she was in the UK. Failing that, they are likely to pursue the RK for permitting driving with no insurance. Depending on the speed she may be offered a fixed penalty or a court appearance, and point will go on her UK licence.

Hi thanks for the reply she was fully insured. It was for 39 in a 30. so the RK is to put the drivers NZ address. and then just wait for the NIP how long have they got to issue this new NIP.
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post Sat, 16 Mar 2019 - 17:09
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No time limit for that, the only time limit is that they have to commence court proceedings within 6 months.


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QUOTE (SPARKY26 @ Sat, 16 Mar 2019 - 17:05) *
Hi thanks for the reply she was fully insured. It was for 39 in a 30. so the RK is to put the drivers NZ address. and then just wait for the NIP how long have they got to issue this new NIP.

Just to be clear, the RK needs to obtain some form of documentary proof that the friend was insured - it wouldn't be enough to say "she was insured" and expect that the police are going to verify that themselves.


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post Sat, 16 Mar 2019 - 18:16
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QUOTE (Fredd @ Sat, 16 Mar 2019 - 17:21) *
QUOTE (SPARKY26 @ Sat, 16 Mar 2019 - 17:05) *
Hi thanks for the reply she was fully insured. It was for 39 in a 30. so the RK is to put the drivers NZ address. and then just wait for the NIP how long have they got to issue this new NIP.

Just to be clear, the RK needs to obtain some form of documentary proof that the friend was insured - it wouldn't be enough to say "she was insured" and expect that the police are going to verify that themselves.

Thanks yes they have a cover note from the insurance company

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No time limit for that, the only time limit is that they have to commence court proceedings within 6 months.

Sorry when you say court proceedings wont she be offered a fixed penalty 3points £100 fine. Will she have to send her UK licence off and will it be posted back to NZ
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post Sat, 16 Mar 2019 - 19:59
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She may or may not be offered a fixed penalty, they may drop it completely if she’s a permanent resident in NZ.


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post Sat, 16 Mar 2019 - 21:46
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Sat, 16 Mar 2019 - 19:59) *
She may or may not be offered a fixed penalty, they may drop it completely if she’s a permanent resident in NZ.

Hi thanks yes she has lived there for the last 26 years. If It is dropped will she get a letter saying so or is it just she won't hear anything.
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post Sat, 16 Mar 2019 - 22:44
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QUOTE (SPARKY26 @ Sat, 16 Mar 2019 - 18:16) *
Sorry when you say court proceedings wont she be offered a fixed penalty 3points £100 fine. Will she have to send her UK licence off and will it be posted back to NZ


That depends on the limit and the alleged speed, which you have not told us. The police need to leave enough time to start court proceedings if they offer a fixed penalty which she does not take up, the 6 months for that is the only time limitation. If they decide not to proceed against her at all, there is no saying whether they notify her or not

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post Sat, 16 Mar 2019 - 22:47
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QUOTE (Logician @ Sat, 16 Mar 2019 - 22:44) *
QUOTE (SPARKY26 @ Sat, 16 Mar 2019 - 18:16) *
Sorry when you say court proceedings wont she be offered a fixed penalty 3points £100 fine. Will she have to send her UK licence off and will it be posted back to NZ


That depends on the limit and the alleged speed, which you have not told us. The police need to leave enough time to start court proceedings if they offer a fixed penalty which she does not take up, the 6 months for that is the only time limitation.

thanks for that
yes I have please see post 3

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post Sat, 16 Mar 2019 - 22:55
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OK, that is within the fixed penalty range, in fact in the range where a course is normally offered, which perhaps increases the chances of it being dropped for a non-resident.


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post Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 07:12
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The friend has a UK licence. Does she still have a UK address? If so, the RK should give that.

If not, will her UK licence be revoked?
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post Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 08:59
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QUOTE (666 @ Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 07:12) *
The friend has a UK licence. Does she still have a UK address? If so, the RK should give that.

If not, will her UK licence be revoked?

Her UK licence in her Mum & Dad address where she lived before moving to NZ
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In 2010/2011 when I lived in France & had a French driving licence I was nominated by an RK for an alleged speeding offence in the UK but heard no more about it. Norfolk Police at least at that time presumably didn’t think it worth pursuing.


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QUOTE (SPARKY26 @ Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 08:59) *
QUOTE (666 @ Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 07:12) *
The friend has a UK licence. Does she still have a UK address? If so, the RK should give that.

If not, will her UK licence be revoked?

Her UK licence in her Mum & Dad address where she lived before moving to NZ


Providing UK licence details for someone then found to be non-resident could present a problem as legislation requires a UK driving licence holder to be resident in the UK and to notify change(s) of address.

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In 2010/2011 when I lived in France & had a French driving licence I was nominated by an RK for an alleged speeding offence in the UK but heard no more about it. Norfolk Police at least at that time presumably didn’t think it worth pursuing.


But were you driving a UK registered vehicle because, as a French resident, isn't it illegal to drive a UK registered car in the UK?
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post Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 11:02
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QUOTE (baroudeur @ Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 10:45) *
QUOTE (SPARKY26 @ Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 08:59) *
QUOTE (666 @ Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 07:12) *
The friend has a UK licence. Does she still have a UK address? If so, the RK should give that.

If not, will her UK licence be revoked?

Her UK licence in her Mum & Dad address where she lived before moving to NZ


Providing UK licence details for someone then found to be non-resident could present a problem as legislation requires a UK driving licence holder to be resident in the UK and to notify change(s) of address.

QUOTE (nigelbb @ Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 09:36) *
In 2010/2011 when I lived in France & had a French driving licence I was nominated by an RK for an alleged speeding offence in the UK but heard no more about it. Norfolk Police at least at that time presumably didn’t think it worth pursuing.


But were you driving a UK registered vehicle because, as a French resident, isn't it illegal to drive a UK registered car in the UK?


1. Not a problem for the RK.

2. French residents hire UK-registered cars legally every day.
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post Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 11:23
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QUOTE (baroudeur @ Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 10:45) *
QUOTE (SPARKY26 @ Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 08:59) *
QUOTE (666 @ Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 07:12) *
The friend has a UK licence. Does she still have a UK address? If so, the RK should give that.

If not, will her UK licence be revoked?

Her UK licence in her Mum & Dad address where she lived before moving to NZ


Providing UK licence details for someone then found to be non-resident could present a problem as legislation requires a UK driving licence holder to be resident in the UK and to notify change(s) of address.

QUOTE (nigelbb @ Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 09:36) *
In 2010/2011 when I lived in France & had a French driving licence I was nominated by an RK for an alleged speeding offence in the UK but heard no more about it. Norfolk Police at least at that time presumably didn’t think it worth pursuing.


But were you driving a UK registered vehicle because, as a French resident, isn't it illegal to drive a UK registered car in the UK?

she has dual citizenship so holds UK and NZ DL which one would she give
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QUOTE (666 @ Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 07:12) *
The friend has a UK licence. Does she still have a UK address? If so, the RK should give that.

Why?


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post Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 15:07
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QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 12:55) *
QUOTE (666 @ Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 07:12) *
The friend has a UK licence. Does she still have a UK address? If so, the RK should give that.

Why?


To avoid all the hassle which will follow giving a "foreign" address?
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QUOTE (666 @ Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 15:07) *
QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 12:55) *
QUOTE (666 @ Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 07:12) *
The friend has a UK licence. Does she still have a UK address? If so, the RK should give that.

Why?


To avoid all the hassle which will follow giving a "foreign" address?



If friend lives in Australia, giving an address 12,000 miles from where friend lives doesn't seem a bright idea.


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