[NIP Wizard] NIP received but a bit OTT, Threads merged |
[NIP Wizard] NIP received but a bit OTT, Threads merged |
Fri, 14 Sep 2018 - 11:38
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 3 Joined: 14 Sep 2018 Member No.: 99,881 |
NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? - Date of the offence: - August 2018 Date of the NIP: - 4 days after the offence Date you received the NIP: - 9 days after the offence Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - M4 Jnc 23a to Jnc24 W/B Gwent 50 3 Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - Not known If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? - How many current points do you have? - 0 Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - Alleged offence is exceed 50 variable speed limit - motorway ACD 58mph at: 14:09 on 26/08/18 At Jnc 23a, the 50mph warning signs were lit (amber lights) at Jnc 24, the speed limit signs were lit. the first 50mph gantry speed limit sign is just before Jnc 24. I didn't brake, but let the car slow down to 50 at that point. As far as I'm aware there is no camera in the gantries at Jnc 24 or down to Jnc 26. There was no double flash (the the type of camera in the gantries does this). I therefore believe it may have been a car on a bridge over the motorway either at Jnc 23a where the speed limit is 70mph (amber 50mph warning lights lit) or at the section between 24 and 25. The traffic was relatively light as it was the Sunday of a bank holiday weekend and the queue for the Brynglas Tunnels didn't begin until Jnc 25 some 3 miles away. and was slower moving traffic for the 50mph limit rather than volume of traffic. The limits seem to be quite arbitrary on this stretch and can vary within the stretch of motorway from 40mph up to 70mph and in no particular order with some gantries remaining unlit. I just think that if it was a gantry camera, it would have had to be the first one as it's the only one before Jnc 24 and as I was already slowing down without using brakes for safety reasons, that it all seems a bit OTT and just a cash making exercise. NIP Wizard Responses These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation: Have you received a NIP? - Yes Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - Yes Did the first NIP arrive within 14 days? - Yes Although you are the Registered Keeper, were you also the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes Were you driving? - Yes Which country did the alleged offence take place in? - Wales NIP Wizard Recommendation Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:
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Fri, 14 Sep 2018 - 11:38
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 3 Joined: 14 Sep 2018 Member No.: 99,881 |
NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? - Date of the offence: - August 2018 Date of the NIP: - 4 days after the offence Date you received the NIP: - 9 days after the offence Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - M4 Jnc 23a to Jnc24 W/B Gwent 50 3 Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - Not known If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? - How many current points do you have? - 0 Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - Alleged offence is exceed 50 variable speed limit - motorway ACD 58mph at: 14:09 on 26/08/18 At Jnc 23a, the 50mph warning signs were lit (amber lights) at Jnc 24, the speed limit signs were lit. the first 50mph gantry speed limit sign is just before Jnc 24. I didn't brake, but let the car slow down to 50 at that point. As far as I'm aware there is no camera in the gantries at Jnc 24 or down to Jnc 26. There was no double flash (the the type of camera in the gantries does this). I therefore believe it may have been a car on a bridge over the motorway either at Jnc 23a where the speed limit is 70mph (amber 50mph warning lights lit) or at the section between 24 and 25. The traffic was relatively light as it was the Sunday of a bank holiday weekend and the queue for the Brynglas Tunnels didn't begin until Jnc 25 some 3 miles away. and was slower moving traffic for the 50mph limit rather than volume of traffic. The limits seem to be quite arbitrary on this stretch and can vary within the stretch of motorway from 40mph up to 70mph and in no particular order with some gantries remaining unlit. I just think that if it was a gantry camera, it would have had to be the first one as it's the only one before Jnc 24 and as I was already slowing down without using brakes for safety reasons, that it all seems a bit OTT and just a cash making exercise. NIP Wizard Responses These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation: Have you received a NIP? - Yes Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - Yes Did the first NIP arrive within 14 days? - Yes Although you are the Registered Keeper, were you also the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes Were you driving? - Yes Which country did the alleged offence take place in? - Wales - Wales NIP Wizard Recommendation Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered: Generated by the PePiPoo NIP Wizard v3.3.2: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 11:38:56 +0000 |
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Fri, 14 Sep 2018 - 11:42
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Member Group: Members Posts: 6,723 Joined: 3 Apr 2006 From: North Hampshire Member No.: 5,183 |
Did you have a question?
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Fri, 14 Sep 2018 - 11:45
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Member Group: Members Posts: 13,572 Joined: 28 Mar 2010 Member No.: 36,528 |
Whatever your feelings about the appropriateness of the limit set, if you exceeded the speed limit set on any stretch you committed an offence. No defence is available on the basis that it was not reasonable to set a particular speed limit.
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Fri, 14 Sep 2018 - 11:53
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,198 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
I was already slowing down without using brakes for safety reasons No, you were being a bit 'casual' (let's be honest), so it looks like guilty really. If you could show there was a genuine risk had you slowed down to 50 in time you may have the makings of an argument, but in reality I think we all know that wouldn't be true. -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Fri, 14 Sep 2018 - 18:03
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Member Group: Members Posts: 3,140 Joined: 19 Jun 2004 From: Surrey Member No.: 1,326 |
That speed should qualify for a speed awareness course if you haven't done one in the last three years (no points).
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Mon, 17 Sep 2018 - 04:55
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 3 Joined: 14 Sep 2018 Member No.: 99,881 |
To be honest, I thought that the speed was checked by a speedgun from a van on an overbridge. In which case, the only place it could have been would have placed me in a flashing amber 50mph section on the M4. I travel this stretch every day in the car and on a bike. The first gantry showing the speed limit never had a camera in it, but after checking today, it seems they have fitted one very recently, so it's a fair bet that it's that one that got me. I know it's no defence, but the speed limits seem to be set on timers and come on at the same time every day whether there's a traffic problem on that stretch or not. On that particular day, there was very light traffic along the "managed" stretch.
I'm guessing that I'll get the offer of the naughty drivers course, that'll be 4 hours of my life I won't get back. |
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Mon, 17 Sep 2018 - 05:34
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Member Group: Members Posts: 292 Joined: 9 Mar 2015 Member No.: 76,209 |
To be honest, I thought that the speed was checked by a speedgun from a van on an overbridge. In which case, the only place it could have been would have placed me in a flashing amber 50mph section on the M4. I travel this stretch every day in the car and on a bike. The first gantry showing the speed limit never had a camera in it, but after checking today, it seems they have fitted one very recently, so it's a fair bet that it's that one that got me. I know it's no defence, but the speed limits seem to be set on timers and come on at the same time every day whether there's a traffic problem on that stretch or not. On that particular day, there was very light traffic along the "managed" stretch. I'm guessing that I'll get the offer of the naughty drivers course, that'll be 4 hours of my life I won't get back. If you do get the offer of the course, don't go there with that kind of attitude as they could still 'fail' you on the course and apply for the points to be given. |
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Mon, 17 Sep 2018 - 08:52
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Member Group: Members Posts: 2,356 Joined: 30 Jun 2008 From: Landan Member No.: 20,731 |
To be honest, I thought that the speed was checked by a speedgun from a van on an overbridge. In which case, the only place it could have been would have placed me in a flashing amber 50mph section on the M4. I travel this stretch every day in the car and on a bike. The first gantry showing the speed limit never had a camera in it, but after checking today, it seems they have fitted one very recently, so it's a fair bet that it's that one that got me. I know it's no defence, but the speed limits seem to be set on timers and come on at the same time every day whether there's a traffic problem on that stretch or not. On that particular day, there was very light traffic along the "managed" stretch. I'm guessing that I'll get the offer of the naughty drivers course, that'll be 4 hours of my life I won't get back. If you do get the offer of the course, don't go there with that kind of attitude as they could still 'fail' you on the course and apply for the points to be given. I've never been on one, but I had no idea they included "attitude" testing! It's probably wise not to speak one's mind, however, in the presence of policey people... --Churchmouse |
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Mon, 17 Sep 2018 - 20:29
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
They're no policey people, they're a for-profit private contractor and they are not discharging a police function.
-------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Mon, 17 Sep 2018 - 21:08
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Member Group: Members Posts: 13,572 Joined: 28 Mar 2010 Member No.: 36,528 |
I know it's no defence, but the speed limits seem to be set on timers and come on at the same time every day whether there's a traffic problem on that stretch or not. On that particular day, there was very light traffic along the "managed" stretch. I'm guessing that I'll get the offer of the naughty drivers course, that'll be 4 hours of my life I won't get back. Having been in a managed motorway control room I can assure you that limits are not set on timers, just because the reason for a limit is not obvious to you does not mean it is not a valid reason. Most people find that they learn something from these courses. -------------------- |
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Tue, 18 Sep 2018 - 14:23
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Member Group: Members Posts: 2,356 Joined: 30 Jun 2008 From: Landan Member No.: 20,731 |
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Tue, 18 Sep 2018 - 15:32
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Member Group: Members Posts: 13,572 Joined: 28 Mar 2010 Member No.: 36,528 |
They are more like driver instructory people.
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Tue, 18 Sep 2018 - 18:13
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,198 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
I know it's no defence, but the speed limits seem to be set on timers and come on at the same time every day Or the traffic gets to what is considered the critical level about the same time every (week) day......which sounds likely really. -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
S172's Rookies 1-0 Kent Council PCN's Rookies 1-0 Warwick Rookies 1-0 Birmingham PPC PCN's Rookies 10-0 PPC's |
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Tue, 18 Sep 2018 - 20:00
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
They're no policey people, they're a for-profit private contractor and they are not discharging a police function. They are indeed "policey people", which term I used specifically because they are not police. Coin your own words, pal... --Churchmouse Fair enough, I've only ever heard the term being used to refer to police staff and CSOs. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Tue, 18 Sep 2018 - 23:12
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Member Group: Members Posts: 2,356 Joined: 30 Jun 2008 From: Landan Member No.: 20,731 |
They're no policey people, they're a for-profit private contractor and they are not discharging a police function. They are indeed "policey people", which term I used specifically because they are not police. Coin your own words, pal... --Churchmouse Fair enough, I've only ever heard the term being used to refer to police staff and CSOs. Fair enough, perhaps I'll give it more thought next time. --Churchmouse |
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