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DancingDad
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Could try phoning 'em and seeing if you can get a person who may listen and accept late payment.
Can only say no.
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DancingDad
Posted on: Today, 12:52


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Can we see anything pls ?

Post pictures of the documents on a free picture hosting site such as Flikr then link them back here.
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DancingDad
Posted on: Today, 11:51


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So a PCN was found on vehicle.
What happened next ??
Challenged?
Rejection ?
Notice to Owner?
Challenged and Rejection?
Charge Certificate
Order for Recovery?
None of the above, we need to know ?

Is Mum's registration document up to date, address correct, not moved ??
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DancingDad
Posted on: Today, 11:48


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Can't see any relief here at all.
Box no longer needs to touch corners and being short is actually to benefit of drivers.

Missed discount as well so a challenge would at least give you chance to save.

Error of judgment, no obstruction caused, please use your discretion to cancel.
And apologies for not getting back sooner but was away (include proof) and could not respond earlier so any chance of the discount being available.

Best I got.
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DancingDad
Posted on: Today, 10:57


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PCN, Pictures etc ????

Host them on an external piccie hosting site such as flikr and link back to here.
If you can download the video and post that, ideal.
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DancingDad
Posted on: Today, 10:15


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PCN for what ??????
Parking, yellow box, moving traffic, bus lane, parking on CEO hat ???
What ?
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DancingDad
Posted on: Today, 10:13


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There is the one obvious question on why a council feels the need to issue PCNs when buses aren't running..... the answer to that is cash, not need or traffic management.
And the second obvious question about why 141 people felt the need to drive in a bus lane anyway?
But the comments are as clueless as always.....
"Just pay it back at a pound a month you haven't refused to pay it so they can't touch you for it...." uhm, wrong, £30 at discount becomes £60 at full wack, becomes £90 at CC stage and then bailiffs appear with their costs
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DancingDad
Posted on: Today, 09:54


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So at the moment we seem to have a position where.
You parked on Double Yellows?
Only for a short time but nevertheless in contravention
CEO started to prepare a PCN.
You drove off with no PCN being fixed to vehicle or handed to the driver ????
They send an NTO.

Assuming you were in contravention, it comes down to your word against the CEO re service of the PCN.
You make a clear statement saying NO PCN was served therefore the Notice to Owner has been served unlawfully.
Council probably say CEO notes show HTD... handed to driver.... you must ask for a copy of the CEO notes and ALL photos they rely on with any challenge.
It ends up at adjudication and there an adjudicator will decide whether they believe you or the CEO.

Photos will be critical..... a few of the car timed before the PCN and none after would support you.
Timed after PCN and especially if one shows a PCN on the screen, whoops.

Let's see the rest of the NTO, devils in the details and often councils get them wrong.
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DancingDad
Posted on: Today, 09:00


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QUOTE (Neil B @ Sat, 17 Feb 2018 - 23:49) *
..........Has anyone taken note of Stamfordman's post #11 ?


Me.
And if at CC stage in Scotland, pay is all I can say.
Next step is "bailiffs" from the Sheriff's Office and lots more costs.
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DancingDad
Posted on: Yesterday, 20:15


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QUOTE (StuartBu @ Sat, 17 Feb 2018 - 20:05) *
QUOTE (DancingDad @ Sat, 17 Feb 2018 - 17:24) *
Let's see the PCN etc.
I am concerned on dates and at the moment, not too sure that picking up son is going to fly.

Is picking up his son relevant if he parked in a parking bay and , if necessary, paid. Surely the relevant part is that OP had to remain in the bus lane because a direct exit to the “ non bus” lane was obstructed by another car.

Im a bit unsure which car is OPs


That's the sort of thing that is bothering me.
Fine to cross a bus lane and board a passenger.
Not so fine to wait and not so fine to travel along it while entering or exiting.

And dates..... OP hs already been in discussion with the authority.... and may be out of time or very close to take any worthwhile actions.

We need the PCN and correspondence !!!
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DancingDad
Posted on: Yesterday, 17:26


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Oooh, betterer and betterer.
They have a system that prevents OOT PCNs going out.
Which has failed on ???? occasions that we know of.
And fully considered, as is their duty, cos the computer says no !
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DancingDad
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Let's see the PCN etc.
I am concerned on dates and at the moment, not too sure that picking up son is going to fly.
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DancingDad
Posted on: Yesterday, 17:22


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Is this the first time she has messed up on display and copped a PCN ??

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Posted on: Yesterday, 16:43


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QUOTE (peterguk @ Sat, 17 Feb 2018 - 16:28) *
QUOTE (Mr Meldrew @ Sat, 17 Feb 2018 - 15:59) *
For what it’s worth, I think the OP should consider whether the Authority has acted beyond their powers by installing the signs, if contrary to the intended warning prescribed by the regulations, especially if there is not the unusual degree of danger described by the sign.

According to the Manual, (3. Legal…) illegal signs on public highways are an obstruction and the possible consequences of erecting or permitting the erection of obstructions may be severe for those responsible and could lay themselves open to a claim for damages for example, if the obstruction were the cause of accident, or of injury in a collision.


But does any of the above trump knowing of a stationery obstruction and driving into it?


Especially as the sign is showing "a sharp deviation of route"
Telling drivers to turn or they will hit the little island some bloke left in the road biggrin.gif
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Posted on: Yesterday, 14:22


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QUOTE (4101 @ Sat, 17 Feb 2018 - 13:14) *
QUOTE (Imanii @ Mon, 12 Feb 2018 - 18:29) *
Hi All!
So i had the pleasure of receiving an email from Zipcar a few days days ago with a PCN/Notice to Owner of £135 plus £15 admin fee. This ticket was dated back on December 5th on the grounds of parking in a loading bay or bay during restricted hours without loading(Contravention Code 25). I parked the car 3am that same day and as there was no space available in the car club bay i was advised to park in the loading bay. They are not accepting any fault and as i was the last driver at the time of the supposed contravention i am to be held responsible. It is issued from a council so they have authority to issue the ticket. Do i have any grounds to appeal?



If you were 'advised' to park in a LB then this would have been done on the phone, so ask for the audio of the recording and put it up on youtube etc. I would like to hear it.

It would be interesting if liability was tran'd and the OP appealed on the ground that there should not have been a transfer as ticket issued after hire time. What would the ground be = PI?


Certainly if Zip Car told you to use the loading bay and this can be verified, then ZipCar should accept the penalty.
But this is between you and ZipCar, it does not excuse the PCN or get you off the hook with enforcing authority.

I think that an adjudicator would look at circumstances of the case and accept the hire ground as long as they were satisfied that the hirer was the person that parked in the bay and that ZipCar had no opportunity to remove the vehicle.
This may become interesting if it could be verified that followed ZipCar instructions, believed ZipCar would move car to somewhere more sensible and sufficient time had elapsed for ZipCar to have been reasonably expected to have acted.
Would not like to rely on it but would include it as another ground.


QUOTE (Mad Mick V @ Sat, 17 Feb 2018 - 13:08) *
.......Can Zip Car reply to the NTO and name the OP as the driver so a fresh PCN will be issued in his name at a lower level of penalty?
.........


Would only get discount offer on council's discretion, what ZipCar got was an NTO.
Would perhaps be an argument with ZipCar if you could show they were aware of PCN but did nothing about it.
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DancingDad
Posted on: Yesterday, 11:38


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Permission should be okay but if it was her that made the initial complain (if any made) then an adjudicator may be a little jaundiced and decide that it doesn't count.
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Posted on: Yesterday, 11:29


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QUOTE (stamfordman @ Sat, 17 Feb 2018 - 11:17) *
Here's a previous case - seems that the OP paid but the appeal was heard and won?!

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showto...t=#entry1023535


That was one I was thinking on.
The second to last post by I Need Help may or may not refer to the same place, certainly not same PCN.
May be worth a hunt through LT lists for road ?
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Posted on: Yesterday, 10:52


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QUOTE (Fredd @ Sat, 17 Feb 2018 - 10:21) *
.........It's not a particularly good sign for visibility of the obstacle, though - a sign normally used for advance warning of a bend, way up in the air, on thin black poles! Presumably they've used that design to allow cyclists to pass underneath, rather than bright yellow bollards you'd normally expect at a width restriction.

Not that any of that really explains why it'd be someone else's fault if you reverse into an obstacle you're already aware of, however poorly designed.


Signs are IMO pee poor and totally wrong.
But cannot miss them really. (and didn't)
But still didn't chase the car down and gie it a good kicking.
May as well moan about hitting a lamp post
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DancingDad
Posted on: Yesterday, 10:05


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I sometimes feel sorry for councils, they just cannot win.
They have put in a chicane to narrow road and presumably calm traffic speeds
To stop people driving over the kerb and potentially wiping out tyres or suspension, they put up a ruddy great sign(s) to guide people into the clear carriageway.
Then when someone clouts the sign they moan about council ?????????

You hit a stationary object that is placed off the carriageway.
That is not the council's fault.
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DancingDad
Posted on: Yesterday, 09:54


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First off, calm down.
And calm wife down, this is not an offence that anyone, insurance, employer or police bother about, it is a simply civil penalty and worst case, cost ya 70 quid.
As long as is dealt with, do not ignore.

Yes, you have no standing in the matter but can challenge or appeal "on behalf of wife" as long as she signs to say you can...simple note.
How you and her resolve the cost should it come to it is between the pair of you.

To give us a chance, post up a copy of the PCN please and all correspondence to date.
Also a streetview link to where



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Posted on: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 - 21:51


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We have seen this one before though cannot remember if any got to adjudication.

DK is IMO an historical one, the restaurant being something else in the past that required a DK for goods or vehicle access.
It is not for pedestrians as pedestrians have nowhere to go if they use it.
And if it was for vehicle, has now passed its use by date
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Posted on: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 - 21:41


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May as well start with the obvious.
What was the person parked up for ?
And can you locate where on streetview?
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Posted on: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 - 21:39


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QUOTE (Neil B @ Fri, 16 Feb 2018 - 21:14) *
Nice one.

QUOTE (DancingDad @ Fri, 16 Feb 2018 - 21:08) *
Re costs..... Wholly unreasonable. I think adjudicator is saying concentrate on the OOT issue

I wonder if the adjudicator questioned the Council on that?
To my mind he should have asked what Mr YYY was doing there in light of the obvious.


That is partly the point.
Okay, MCC made an error on serving the PCN late.
But they not only ignored two opportunities to cancel after is was pointed out (Formal challenge and Appeal), at least at NOR stage trying to bluff it and went so far as to detail some smuck to "attend" the hearing instead of doing the honourable thing and throwing themselves on their swords and DNCing.
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DancingDad
Posted on: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 - 21:12


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I got nothing to add.
This is the legislation
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/18/section/86
You can see where the exemption comes from that you quoted and are aware of.
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Posted on: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 - 21:08


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Nice one.

MCC have not a hope now IMO until they sort out signage, people just need to be aware.
Local press I think, plenty of decisions now to show a pattern.

Re costs..... Wholly unreasonable. I think adjudicator is saying concentrate on the OOT issue but I see no reason why a repeated pattern by MCC on forcing cases to appeal despite signage issues that are known cannot be cited.
The OOT is simple IMO, MCC made an error in serving a late PCN. This is all well and good but compounded the error by making the law up to suit themselves, totally disregarding simple mathematics and prescribed timing. This is not the act of an enforcement authority making an error or a judgement call, it is an EA deliberately ignoring the rules, despite having it brought to their attention within a formal challenge, seeking to gain from that and as such acting wholly unreasonably..... and 'aving a laff, all the way to the bank but for the people who are prepared to challenge and if needs be appeal to adjudicators.
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