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Posted by: Jen_Jen1985 Mon, 24 Sep 2018 - 19:35
Post #1419365

Hi, Im looking for some advice on behalf of a friend.

They were visiting a friend and parked in the resident underground car park. The driver parked in a disabled bay displaying a blue badge but has received a ticket as they weren't displaying a resident permit.
Whats the best way to deal with it?
The keeper has been told her to ignore as another friend has had 3 tickets and they've never been chased for them, I said I don't think you should really ignore as I know the law changed a few years back but wanted to check with people who know more about these things than I do.

Thanks for any help you can offer and if more information is needed then let me know and I'll get the info from my friend.

Posted by: cabbyman Mon, 24 Sep 2018 - 19:39
Post #1419367

Which company issued the ticket?

Was it a windscreen ticket (Notice to driver - NtD) or a postal ticket?

Posted by: Jen_Jen1985 Mon, 24 Sep 2018 - 19:42
Post #1419369

P4Parking and was a windscreen ticket

Posted by: cabbyman Mon, 24 Sep 2018 - 19:59
Post #1419376

On that ticket will be a date for appeals; probably 28 days. If so, at day 25/26, the RK should appeal with a text that we will assist with. The timing is crucial because we are attempting to give them a name and address before they apply to DVLA. Have a look at other threads to get more information on this.

Meantime, please provide pics of the signs and a copy of the NtD, suitably redacted of personal information.

Finally, but probably most CRUCIALLY, please EDIT your original post to avoid identifying the driver.


Posted by: Jen_Jen1985 Mon, 24 Sep 2018 - 20:07
Post #1419379

Have edited, thanks.

They are reading this post and trying to send me a copy of the ticket and parking signage for me to post for them.

Posted by: Jen_Jen1985 Mon, 24 Sep 2018 - 20:22
Post #1419384

Here is the ticket and parking signage in the car park.


 

Posted by: Bumble62 Mon, 24 Sep 2018 - 21:22
Post #1419395

This ticket was left on my vehicle. There are only two designated parking areas, an underground parking area and a small above ground parking area for residents and visitors. The above ground disabled bay is too far for me to walk when parked there. The area is very hilly and the slopes are such that I am unable to walk on them, not to mention the distance being much more than I could ever manage. Today, as it was my granddaughter's birthday, I needed to be parked within walking distance, so as many times in the past, my car was parked in a disabled bay in the underground car park. My blue disabled badge was displayed on the dashboard.

As another visitor was expected, who would have to park in the above ground car park, and who did not have a blue badge, they used the only available residents parking permit.

I find all this very distressing as I am not in the best of health either physically or mentally, and have just come home and cried. It's too much for me to deal with, and I don't know what to do. I'm scared, as I don't have enough even to pay the £60 reduced fee. I find things like this difficult to cope with, as I have Aspergers/Autism, and I know I won't sleep until this is sorted out.

Any help would be very much appreciated.

Posted by: The Rookie Tue, 25 Sep 2018 - 06:26
Post #1419437

EDIT your post now, you're giving too much away, you are the cars keeper and there was a driver, too separate legal entities, describe what each did as 'the driver' or as 'the keeper'/I.

Posted by: Bumble62 Tue, 25 Sep 2018 - 13:52
Post #1419584

I'm not sure which parts you mean need editing. I've not used my real name, not stated where this happened, not stated how many people were in the vehicle or if I was alone or with someone.

I don't mean to sound dumb, I genuinely don't understand what part needs changing.

I've tried to go onto the site mentioned on the ticket to appeal it, but it just comes up with an error message and I can't proceed.

Can anyone advise please? Many thanks in advance.

Posted by: cabbyman Tue, 25 Sep 2018 - 13:58
Post #1419586

The ticket still has the ref no on it. It needs editing.

Given Bumble's post, may I respectfully suggest that Jen Jen may wish to continue overseeing the thread. Things MAY become a little stressful for a new participant. Although these are perfectly easily winnable, some of the concepts will be very unfamiliar. Two heads may be better than one.

In this respect, Bumble's post #7 URGENTLY needs EDITING to avoid identifying the driver.

I will try to find time over the next couple of days to compose a day 25/26 letter, unless someone beats me to it in the meantime.

Posted by: Eljayjay Tue, 25 Sep 2018 - 14:01
Post #1419588

Bumble62

I do sympathise with the driver. At the same time, however, I would be doing the driver no favours if I failed to make a couple of things clear.

Reading between the lines of your post, it does seem that the driver believes they had a right to park in the disabled bay as a result of being a blue badge holder.

This is a residential car park. There is no overarching legislation that compels a residential car park to provide all residents with parking spaces. It does, of course, follow that there is no overarching legislation to provide residents' visitors with parking spaces. Generally, whether or not a resident or visitor is a blue badge holder is totally irrelevant insofar as a residential car park is concerned.

The signage in this car park shows that a little (but not much) importance has been attached to blue badges. In effect, the signage states that a blue badge holder can park in a disabled bay there provided that the blue badge holder also displays a parking permit.

It seems clear that the driver is not a resident of the development and, that being so, the driver has no right of his/her own to park there.

On the assumption that the person visited is the leasehold owner of, say, a flat on the development, it is possible that person may have a right to permit visitors to park there, but the only was of determining whether such a right exists and, if it does, what terms apply would be to study the visited person's lease.

You may find that the lease saves the day - it often does in a residential car park - but the driver would be putting him/herself at risk of collecting more tickets if he/she continue to park there without checking what the lease says.

Posted by: cabbyman Tue, 25 Sep 2018 - 14:16
Post #1419596

Eljayjay, this won't be helped by the lease but most residential cases can be won without the lease; the lease just makes it a slam dunk.

There is plenty here to win with if Bumble wishes to carry the fight to them.

Bumble, I have re-read your post and editing does not appear to be necessary.

Wait for a few days. One of us will come up with a letter to send. Please DON'T try to contact P4Parking unless we have first suggested it or checked your wording. For more information read this link: https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=4816822

Please don't panic. We will talk you through this. Most will be at work at the moment and I have time pressures preventing sensible thought this afternoon.

Posted by: Eljayjay Tue, 25 Sep 2018 - 15:46
Post #1419618

cabbyman

I accept that the driver or keeper may be able to defend this without recourse to the lease using your usual strategies and tactics.

What I would question is your assertion that "this won't be helped by the lease". It may very well be helped by the lease depending on what the lease has to say about the leaseholder's rights insofar as visitors' parking is concerned.

More than that, however, is what appears to be a very dodgy presumption (not yours) that the driver has some sort of right to park merely (that may not be the best word) because of disability.

Posted by: Bumble62 Wed, 26 Sep 2018 - 12:48
Post #1419837

The land where this occurred, is owned by a Housing Association. Some of the properties are social housing, some are private. Following a telephone call to the land owner this morning, who have said that
under the circumstances, they are happy to provide a parking permit as the only disabled bay above ground is too far from the entrance and on uneven ground. They said to contact P4Parking who
issued the ticket to tell them this, and that P4P will check with the land owner and to call them back tomorrow to pay £5 for the permit once they have confirmed this. Apparently, the
ticket should be appealed in writing within 14 days, and is likely to be refused, but will generate some number that needs to be used for the next step. This is so stressful.

Posted by: Bumble62 Thu, 11 Oct 2018 - 12:36
Post #1424204

Hi everyone,

It's now day 18 since this infernal parking ticket was issued, and is still causing severe anxiety and distress. Can someone please explain in simple terms
what has to be done next please?

In an appeal, do you give the exact reason as to why the vehicle was parked where it was? Legit reason, if parked off site, vehicle would have been too far away and
impossible for disabled person to walk on steep incline to visit family.

Thank you in advance.

Posted by: Redivi Thu, 11 Oct 2018 - 13:09
Post #1424209

Apparently, the ticket should be appealed in writing within 14 days, and is likely to be refused, but will generate some number that needs to be used for the next step.

Understatement of the year
I would put the chances of refusal at 100%

P4Parking is, to all intents and purposes, the old Nighthawk Security company
This was a notorious clamper that turned to aggressive ticketing when its practice was banned

Whoever employed P4P to manage the parking clearly failed to make any checks

I would base the appeal on the inadequate signage




Posted by: SchoolRunMum Thu, 11 Oct 2018 - 17:16
Post #1424271

I see that Eljayjay has confused matters by talking about the lease, as per all his posts on here and on MSE. There is no point and it took your eye off the ball.

QUOTE
P4Parking and was a windscreen ticket


Easy stage, just send the usual online appeal (blue writing) shown here on MSE:

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=4816822

You already had that link in post #12 and cabbyman's advice was correct except there is no need to 'come up with an appeal' seeing as the MSE tread has a template there in blue writing, for the registered keeper to submit online on day 26 (reason for delay IS explained in the linked thread). Please do read it.

Then the PPC turns down the first appeal (forget the stupid discount bribe and do NOT get anxious about the scam PCN). With the rejection letter or email, the registered keeper gets a POPLA code.

Then they look at post #3 of that thread for POPLA templates, and put those together in a much longer appeal, and come here and show us to make sure it's right at POPLA stage. And/or search both forums for P4Parking POPLA to see the style & length of a decent POPLA appeal and to read some we won earlier!

NO SAYING WHO WAS DRIVING IN THE APPEAL - NO ADDING ANY WORDS ABOUT BLUE BADGES.


Posted by: Eljayjay Fri, 12 Oct 2018 - 00:45
Post #1424398

Bumble62
One of the great things about this forum is that you are free to take advice from whomever you choose. Unfortunately, of course, that choice brings with it some difficulties...

SchoolRunMum
I wonder whether or not you may wish to explain to Bumble62 why over twenty of your recent posts on MSE have been deleted.
Could it be that MSE’s Forum Team thought they were inappropriate?
I wonder also whether or not you might like to explain why you, who contributes on average over thirteen posts per day on MSE, has not posted anything there since, I believe, Monday, 8 October.
Could it be that MSE’s Forum Team were so concerned about your posts that they have suspended or banned you from making more?

Posted by: nosferatu1001 Fri, 12 Oct 2018 - 07:57
Post #1424433

Elijay - i have noticed that nothing in your post actually contradicts SRMs conclusions here, and hasnt provided a clearer route for the OP than here?

OP - in general posters with a few thousand posts are more trusted than those with fewer, because usually within that period any of those with agendas that arent necessarily aligned with the point of this forum get exposed by their actions.
Just a note.
Not everyone is who they appear to be. A "new" poster might not be new at all, but a returning user.

Posted by: SchoolRunMum Sun, 14 Oct 2018 - 23:34
Post #1425229

QUOTE (Eljayjay @ Fri, 12 Oct 2018 - 01:45) *
Bumble62
One of the great things about this forum is that you are free to take advice from whomever you choose. Unfortunately, of course, that choice brings with it some difficulties...

SchoolRunMum
I wonder whether or not you may wish to explain to Bumble62 why over twenty of your recent posts on MSE have been deleted.
Could it be that MSE’s Forum Team thought they were inappropriate?
I wonder also whether or not you might like to explain why you, who contributes on average over thirteen posts per day on MSE, has not posted anything there since, I believe, Monday, 8 October.
Could it be that MSE’s Forum Team were so concerned about your posts that they have suspended or banned you from making more?


Obsessively reading all my posts on both forums, and reporting them avidly, getting me banned about once a year by MSE for daring to suss who you are, and then weirdly re-counting the number of my MSE posts and working out how many you think were removed, is a form of stalking (again, as you already know).

Posted by: ostell Mon, 15 Oct 2018 - 08:11
Post #1425253

Can you keep your arguments for the flamepit please.

Bumble, can you get the lease and see what it says about visitor parking, it may just provide a help.

The landowner should be able to tell P4Parking to cancel the charge, they will be the people that contracted P4Parking, not go through an appeal which they will be disinclined to accept. Get back on to the landowner.

In parallel with harassing the landowner you continue with the appeal to P4Parking on the lines of:

Sirs,

I am the keeper of vehicle VRM xxxxx and have been handed the PCN No. xxxx which was left on the windscreen.

There can be bo charge payable for this as the signs were not very clear and failed to make a contract with the driver at the time. As one of the occupants of the car is disabled a valid Blue Badge was displayed at the time. Your operator should have been aware of this and made allowances for the disability.

Yours

Keeper name
Keeper address


Send this off so that it is received on, or just before, day 26 of the parking. The idea is that the company try to save £2.50 by not applying to the DVLA for the keepers details. They are required to send a Notice to keeper between day 28 and 56. They may not send a notice to keeper within the required time or may not contact the DVLA. In either case you win. Try and make the keepers address slightly different to the address on the V5 registration document but not too different in that any response cannot be delivered. A misspell of a name, foe example, Greene instead of Green. Just enough that you know they haven't contacted the DVLA.

Posted by: Bumble62 Wed, 17 Oct 2018 - 14:33
Post #1426086

Thank you for your response ostell, and for the clarity of it. The ticket was issued on 24th September, So if I count the day after that as day 1 (or is the day it was issued day 1? It was issued at 18:36), then I guess I am on day 23 and day 26 will be Saturday 20th October. Should I send it on Friday?

I'm confused, as in another response, someone mentioned not saying anything about having a blue badge, yet you indicate that I should. I was thinking it should be mentioned, as although there was no residents or visitors parking permit on the vehicle, it did have my blue badge on it because it was parked in an un-allocated, but clearly marked, disabled bay, which was close to the lift and which I could just about manage to get to.

My daughter tells me that in the lease, no parking bays had been allocated as the whole area was not parking controlled when she took the property over after it had been built. I had to contact P4P
to buy a parking permit, and they told me that I could park there for 24 hours, but couldn't return within 48 hours, which I thought was rather daft. What if I was picking my grandchildren up from school for a few days in a row? I queried this with the land owner, and they said they had never heard of that. My daughter also told me that with regards to the parking permits, that when they were first introduced, that all the residents were up in arms over some of the restrictions, and because of that, they reviewed them, as the residents had a valid argument. The land owner understands that I can't be expected to have to park totally off site, and is issuing the parking permit, but I still have this ticket to get sorted. They say they won't intervene and that I have to appeal it. I've not slept properly since getting it.

Thank you again
Bumble62


QUOTE (ostell @ Mon, 15 Oct 2018 - 09:11) *
Can you keep your arguments for the flamepit please.

Bumble, can you get the lease and see what it says about visitor parking, it may just provide a help.

The landowner should be able to tell P4Parking to cancel the charge, they will be the people that contracted P4Parking, not go through an appeal which they will be disinclined to accept. Get back on to the landowner.

In parallel with harassing the landowner you continue with the appeal to P4Parking on the lines of:

Sirs,

I am the keeper of vehicle VRM xxxxx and have been handed the PCN No. xxxx which was left on the windscreen.

There can be bo charge payable for this as the signs were not very clear and failed to make a contract with the driver at the time. As one of the occupants of the car is disabled a valid Blue Badge was displayed at the time. Your operator should have been aware of this and made allowances for the disability.

Yours

Keeper name
Keeper address


Send this off so that it is received on, or just before, day 26 of the parking. The idea is that the company try to save £2.50 by not applying to the DVLA for the keepers details. They are required to send a Notice to keeper between day 28 and 56. They may not send a notice to keeper within the required time or may not contact the DVLA. In either case you win. Try and make the keepers address slightly different to the address on the V5 registration document but not too different in that any response cannot be delivered. A misspell of a name, foe example, Greene instead of Green. Just enough that you know they haven't contacted the DVLA.




Posted by: ostell Wed, 17 Oct 2018 - 22:21
Post #1426223

Put in the post on the Thurday and get a free certificate of posting from any Post Office

Posted by: SchoolRunMum Thu, 18 Oct 2018 - 00:01
Post #1426235

QUOTE
I'm confused, as in another response, someone mentioned not saying anything about having a blue badge, yet you indicate that I should.

There is a huge difference between these careful words:

QUOTE
one of the occupants of the car is disabled a valid Blue Badge was displayed at the time.


...compared to wanting to add your own words to a template appeal that give away who parked the car, which is why I warned:

QUOTE
NO SAYING WHO WAS DRIVING IN THE APPEAL - NO ADDING ANY WORDS ABOUT BLUE BADGES.


I said that to stop you adding words like this:

QUOTE
I was thinking it should be mentioned, as although there was no residents or visitors parking permit on the vehicle, it did have my blue badge on it because it was parked in an un-allocated, but clearly marked, disabled bay, which was close to the lift and which I could just about manage to get to.

and they told me that I could park there for 24 hours, but couldn't return within 48 hours, which I thought was rather daft. What if I was picking my grandchildren up from school for a few days in a row? I queried this with the land owner, and they said they had never heard of that. My daughter also told me that with regards to the parking permits, that when they were first introduced, that all the residents were up in arms over some of the restrictions, and because of that, they reviewed them, as the residents had a valid argument. The land owner understands that I can't be expected to have to park totally off site,


It's safe now ostell has written an appeal for you to send as the keeper, albeit the MSE NEWBIES thread appeal would have the same effect and get a POPLA code without giving away the driver's identity.

Maybe a misunderstanding but why is there talk of ruining the 26 day tactic by posting the appeal to arrive too late, when the tactic is the parking firm must actually have it on day 26? The PCN clearly offers an online appeals page - so use that on Friday - just don't choose 'driver'...

Posted by: Bumble62 Thu, 18 Oct 2018 - 12:40
Post #1426317

Thank you, I understand a bit better now about the way of wording so as not to disclose who was driving. Do they actually ask who was driving on the form? Easier for me to take in if others can keep the wording simple without the use of too many acronyms which totally throw me. Sorry if that makes me sound dumb. It's just the way my brain works.

Am going to use the online form and do it tomorrow. Should I leave it until the afternoon so they don't have too long to deal with it before the weekend?

Ostell, I'm not sticking up for P4P but can you explain on what grounds the 'signs were not very clear' please. There are several of them on site, even if (to me) they are very confusing and give too many do's, don'ts and instructions for me to understand without getting all stressed out and worked up. So much so that I give up even trying to understand them. Genuine question there, not me having a dig at you smile.gif

Many thanks for the help.

Posted by: cabbyman Thu, 18 Oct 2018 - 13:06
Post #1426324

That is why they are not clear; you can't understand them. How would someone of a lesser calibre than you be expected to understand them?

There is no benefit in leaving it until late, IMHO. You need to leave them with time to look at the appeal and rub their hands thinking they can save themselves the cost of the DVLA application. Given the possibility of being forced down a particular route online and inadvertently admitting the driver, I agree with Ostell that you should post it today, with a certificate of posting from the post office; NOT signed for.

Posted by: Bumble62 Thu, 18 Oct 2018 - 19:43
Post #1426461

So other than filling in any boxes on the website form this is all I put yes?

I'm afraid it's too late to post it royal mail now, so it will have to go using the online form. Am I right in thinking they don't work on weekends (in the office anyway, their wardens obviously do as it was a Sunday evening when the ticket was issued.


Sirs,

I am the keeper of vehicle VRM xxxxx and have been handed the PCN No. xxxx which was left on the windscreen.

There can be bo charge payable for this as the signs were not very clear and failed to make a contract with the driver at the time. As one of the occupants of the car is disabled a valid Blue Badge was displayed at the time. Your operator should have been aware of this and made allowances for the disability.

Yours

Keeper name
Keeper address

Posted by: ostell Fri, 19 Oct 2018 - 07:16
Post #1426580

Take care with filling in the boxes, they will default to driver so make sure it is keeper and check again before you hit send. And before you hit send make sure to take a screen print.

Posted by: Bumble62 Fri, 19 Oct 2018 - 10:34
Post #1426622

Thank you everyone who has helped me so far. I've filled in the online form, kept a screenshot of every page of the form (including three separate ones to cover the whole of the 'appeal' box. Checked that it only said 'Keeper' and not driver, and only changed the bits to fill in the relevant VRN, ticket number, keeper and address. I didn't put my phone number on there.

So may I ask what happens next please? I do appreciate that there have been several other cases that are logged on the forum, but there are so many with different circumstances that I can't process so much information and it all becomes a blur to me. I'd really appreciate it if someone can just tell me in simple straight terms please.

Thank you all again.

Bumble

Posted by: SchoolRunMum Fri, 19 Oct 2018 - 12:30
Post #1426654

P4Parking are in the BPA so when they inevitably reject the appeal (PPC scammers pretty much always do) they will send you a POPLA code.

So while you are waiting, read any POPLA threads to see how that stage appeal differs hugely. On MSE the NEWBIES thread has standard long POPLA template appeal points in the third post.

Posted by: Bumble62 Sat, 20 Oct 2018 - 09:01
Post #1426824

Thanks SchoolRunMum, I'll check those out.

This is all it says about vehicles in the lease. It doesn't mention anything about permits, although the tenants and owners must have had letters when their own permits were issued earlier this year.



 

Posted by: nosferatu1001 Mon, 22 Oct 2018 - 09:48
Post #1427288

So you CAN park in communal parking areas, is what I take from that.

Posted by: Bumble62 Tue, 23 Oct 2018 - 16:19
Post #1427805

Ok, I wasn't expecting to get a response this quickly. In their email, they have, as expected, declined the appeal and said I have the right to apply to POPLA, for which they have supplied the varification code. It states that I have until 05.11.2018 to send them the £100 charge. They have sent several pics that were taken of the car at the time they ticketed it. I've not divulged to them if I was either the driver or passenger at the time, so do they have a right to assume that I, as the keeper of the vehicle am at fault? Stress levels back up to MAX once more.

Can anyone please tell me what to do next please. Plain simple wording please, I can't process the acronyms or any play on words when I'm this stressed out.

Thanking you in advance.

Posted by: ostell Tue, 23 Oct 2018 - 19:55
Post #1427865

You are the keeper, they cannot just assume you are the driver. They have to comply with POFA in order to hold the keeper liable if they don't know the driver

Posted by: Bumble62 Wed, 24 Oct 2018 - 08:29
Post #1427975

QUOTE (ostell @ Tue, 23 Oct 2018 - 20:55) *
You are the keeper, they cannot just assume you are the driver. They have to comply with POFA in order to hold the keeper liable if they don't know the driver


Yes, that's what I thought, but they are still saying that I have to pay. Should I write back to them? Any idea what I should say please?



Posted by: The Rookie Wed, 24 Oct 2018 - 08:48
Post #1427979

No you appeal to POPLA were a fail to comply with PoFA / ID the driver is a slam dunk win.

Look for other recent successful POPLA appeals, edit to suite and post for critique.

Posted by: Bumble62 Thu, 25 Oct 2018 - 16:18
Post #1428552

I've tried reading the MSE site several times now, but it just puts me into information overload. I really don't have a clue what to put in this appeal. I have no idea what points I can get them on or how to word it. Is there anyone able to help me please? Part of me feels like I should just pay up to get them off my back and avoid all the stress.

Thank you in advance.

Posted by: Bumble62 Thu, 25 Oct 2018 - 17:31
Post #1428569

QUOTE (The Rookie @ Wed, 24 Oct 2018 - 09:48) *
No you appeal to POPLA were a fail to comply with PoFA / ID the driver is a slam dunk win.

Look for other recent successful POPLA appeals, edit to suite and post for critique.



Can you tell me what PoFA is please?

Posted by: ManxRed Thu, 25 Oct 2018 - 17:41
Post #1428574

The Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. Schedule 4 of this act enables private parking companies to pursue the Keeper of a vehicle for payment of a debt alleged against the driver.

There are strict criteria they need to follow and most either fail or don't bother trying.

This is in the NEWBIES thread on MSE isn't it?

Posted by: Bumble62 Thu, 25 Oct 2018 - 18:45
Post #1428589

QUOTE (ManxRed @ Thu, 25 Oct 2018 - 18:41) *
The Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. Schedule 4 of this act enables private parking companies to pursue the Keeper of a vehicle for payment of a debt alleged against the driver.

There are strict criteria they need to follow and most either fail or don't bother trying.

This is in the NEWBIES thread on MSE isn't it?


Thank you for the explanation of PoFA.

I have tried reading through the Newbies thread on MSE and all the other suggestions on here, including trying to find previous incidences of issues with P4Parking, several times, but I can't cope with the information overload (I'm Autistic and it's just too much for me to take in). I appreciate that this may make others think I can't be bothered and just want someone to do it for me, but that truly isn't the case. I used to be good at writing letters and would often help other people out by doing so, but these days it's just like a minefield of information swimming around in my head, and I just can't get it to make sense. I haven't slept properly since getting this ticket and the stress is playing havoc with my Blood Pressure and Diabetes. I'm not saying that in order to dramatize the situation, but just to be open and honest about why this is affecting me so badly, and that I am, for the first time in my life, asking for outside help. I'm sorry if my honesty and openness causes offence, I've no intention to.

Posted by: nosferatu1001 Fri, 26 Oct 2018 - 08:29
Post #1428653

Dont read THROUGH the newbies thread
Read part of it. Let it sink in. Then go back

Youre only wanting the section about POPLA appeals - dont read the court stuff!

Posted by: Bumble62 Fri, 26 Oct 2018 - 17:58
Post #1428827

QUOTE (nosferatu1001 @ Fri, 26 Oct 2018 - 09:29) *
Dont read THROUGH the newbies thread
Read part of it. Let it sink in. Then go back

Youre only wanting the section about POPLA appeals - dont read the court stuff!


I'm sorry if it sounds lazy of me to say this, but I have been going round and round in circles on the MSE Newbies thread and can't make head nor tail of any of it. I've tried looking for templates that resemble my situation, but can't find any for P4Parking. I've tried looking at ones for other companies, but the more I see, the more I wish I'd just paid the £60 before the 14 days was up and be done with it; because then I wouldn't be sitting here for hours on end crying over it..I've just about come to the end of my tether and can't cope with the stress day after day. Now I've waited this long, I have to pay the £100, purely and simply because the system is far too complicated for me to understand or deal with myself. I've been clicking from one forum or thread to the next and just not finding anything that is simple enough for me to understand. This has tied me up in knots and I can't cope with it anymore.

I'll not think badly of you if you say no, but do you please happen to know where I might find a template for P4Parking for a vehicle belonging to a blue badge holder who could not park in the allotted visitors bay because it was too far from the vehicle to the building entrance, and there was no available visitors bay to park in down in the underground car park, so the vehicle was parked in a disabled bay that was not allotted to anyone, but which was directly opposite the lift. A blue badge was on display but no visitors parking permit, as there wasn't a spare one available as the granddaughter's other grandmother had put it on her car in a visitors bay outside. Both grandmothers were visiting for the granddaughter's birthday. Would it come under disability discrimination?

Despite having a very low income, I am seriously considering paying this rather than the heating bill. I hate the way the government allow these firms to do this to people.

Posted by: Dave65 Fri, 26 Oct 2018 - 18:25
Post #1428835

Hopefully the Government will, there is a private members bill going through Parliament now because of the distasteful practices of these PPC.
I`ve just looked at your thread but not read through all of it.

Have you done a search on this site?
I put P4Parking in the top right box and came up with a few posts on P4Parking including some residential ones.

Posted by: Bumble62 Fri, 26 Oct 2018 - 20:12
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QUOTE (Dave65 @ Fri, 26 Oct 2018 - 19:25) *
Hopefully the Government will, there is a private members bill going through Parliament now because of the distasteful practices of these PPC.
I`ve just looked at your thread but not read through all of it.

Have you done a search on this site?
I put P4Parking in the top right box and came up with a few posts on P4Parking including some residential ones.


Thank you for your reply.

Yes I have searched both here and on MSE, but there is nothing that is similar to my situation. I know nothing about laws or regulations, or even if this is going to mean going to court or anything. Only thing I am sure of is that I can't afford to heat my home if I have to pay this. I think the stress of being cold would be easier to bear than this. Easier to rectify by staying in bed with an extra blanket and a hot water bottle. I don't have a head for all this kind of thing. Every time I come on this site or MSE, I just burst into tears.

Posted by: SchoolRunMum Mon, 12 Nov 2018 - 23:26
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Why not just Google P4Parking POPLA no keeper liability and find a POPLA appeal for P4Parking that someone did earlier this year (DO NOT look at anything older than 2017).

Do not miss your chance.

Copy one before your 30 days expires, and show us what you copied before you try to submit it. If you show us SOMETHING (please) then we have something to work with!

Look how dead easy it is:

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5862235

How do people get themselves so worked up, when this forum & MSE have these cases to copy?

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