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UK CPM - Visitor parking PCN
DragonQ
post Mon, 20 Mar 2017 - 18:12
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My car was parked in a visitor's bay in my residential parking area. One morning I woke up to find a Parking Charge Notice attached to it from UK CPM, who have some signs up around the car park. The issue reason is not displaying a valid parking permit. I have a visitor's permit that is in the car but I am not sure how visible it was on this occasion.

UK CPM are a part of IPC, although the sign says they are a BPA member. I have two questions:

- Am I right in thinking that I needn't do anything until I receive a Notice to Keeper through the post?
- Is there any point contacting my management company to ask for the charge to be cleared (since it's designed to stop people who don't live here or aren't visiting using the bays, not to catch people who live here out), or are they likely to just refer me to UK CPM?

I've attached a redacted copy of the PCN and also a photo of the signs up around the area. I've had a quick look through the contract I signed with the management company when buying the property, as well as their "welcome pack", and can't see any mention of parking whatsoever.
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- DragonQ   UK CPM - Visitor parking PCN   Mon, 20 Mar 2017 - 18:12
- - SchoolRunMum   QUOTE - Am I right in thinking that I needn't ...   Mon, 20 Mar 2017 - 18:53
- - DragonQ   Thanks for the reply. It's actually a house th...   Tue, 21 Mar 2017 - 15:51
- - SchoolRunMum   Modern leases include rights of way and easements....   Tue, 21 Mar 2017 - 15:57
- - DragonQ   I have received a NTK and am drafting a response l...   Tue, 2 May 2017 - 16:52
- - Lynnzer   See my signature templates. Use the 1st one then t...   Tue, 2 May 2017 - 18:05
- - DragonQ   Thanks for the reply. Should I remove the part abo...   Wed, 3 May 2017 - 18:24
|- - Lynnzer   QUOTE (DragonQ @ Wed, 3 May 2017 - 19...   Thu, 4 May 2017 - 11:37
- - nosferatu1001   If you have rights over the space, you are a joint...   Thu, 4 May 2017 - 11:00
- - DragonQ   I actually found the part about my parking rights ...   Thu, 4 May 2017 - 17:42
- - AOneVs   I'm going to court at the end of this month wi...   Thu, 4 May 2017 - 20:08
|- - DragonQ   QUOTE (AOneVs @ Thu, 4 May 2017 - 21...   Thu, 4 May 2017 - 22:05
|- - nosferatu1001   QUOTE (AOneVs @ Thu, 4 May 2017 - 20...   Fri, 5 May 2017 - 07:55
|- - Lynnzer   QUOTE (AOneVs @ Thu, 4 May 2017 - 21...   Fri, 5 May 2017 - 08:59
|- - DragonQ   QUOTE (Lynnzer @ Fri, 5 May 2017 - 09...   Fri, 5 May 2017 - 09:11
- - DragonQ   Got a reply from UK CPM: QUOTE Within your letter...   Sat, 20 May 2017 - 18:07
- - Lynnzer   So progress this to the Managing Agents for their ...   Sat, 20 May 2017 - 20:19
- - DragonQ   Neither the NTK nor subsequent letter from UK CPM ...   Thu, 25 May 2017 - 16:32
- - nosferatu1001   It isnt prematrure to enforce your leased rights.   Fri, 26 May 2017 - 07:50
|- - DragonQ   QUOTE (nosferatu1001 @ Fri, 26 May 2017 ...   Fri, 26 May 2017 - 09:07
|- - Lynnzer   QUOTE (DragonQ @ Fri, 26 May 2017 - 10...   Fri, 26 May 2017 - 09:12
|- - nosferatu1001   QUOTE (DragonQ @ Fri, 26 May 2017 - 10...   Fri, 26 May 2017 - 10:56
|- - Lynnzer   QUOTE (nosferatu1001 @ Fri, 26 May 2017 ...   Fri, 26 May 2017 - 11:15
- - nosferatu1001   I was more making te point that you still have lea...   Fri, 26 May 2017 - 12:09
|- - DragonQ   QUOTE (Lynnzer @ Fri, 26 May 2017 - 12...   Fri, 26 May 2017 - 16:57
- - nosferatu1001   UKCPM have no right to vary your lease.   Fri, 26 May 2017 - 21:31
- - Lynnzer   More to the point, you weren't ticketed for us...   Fri, 26 May 2017 - 21:44
|- - DragonQ   QUOTE (Lynnzer @ Fri, 26 May 2017 - 22...   Fri, 26 May 2017 - 22:28
- - ostell   1) You have the right to park given in you lease. ...   Sat, 27 May 2017 - 06:31
|- - Lynnzer   QUOTE (ostell @ Sat, 27 May 2017 - 07...   Sat, 27 May 2017 - 07:14
|- - DragonQ   QUOTE (ostell @ Sat, 27 May 2017 - 07...   Sun, 28 May 2017 - 12:09
|- - Lynnzer   QUOTE (DragonQ @ Sun, 28 May 2017 - 13...   Sun, 28 May 2017 - 12:43
- - DragonQ   Should I post the draft of the letter I intend to ...   Mon, 29 May 2017 - 10:37
- - DragonQ   Turns out the management company itself owns the l...   Fri, 2 Jun 2017 - 16:45
|- - Lynnzer   QUOTE (DragonQ @ Fri, 2 Jun 2017 - 17...   Fri, 2 Jun 2017 - 17:15
- - ostell   This has been mentioned in another case in abither...   Sat, 3 Jun 2017 - 06:17
- - DragonQ   Quick update: I've received a Letter Before Cl...   Fri, 12 Jan 2018 - 18:30
- - cabbyman   Show us the LBC, suitably redacted, and your propo...   Fri, 12 Jan 2018 - 18:34
- - DragonQ   Hilariously non-compliant LBC attached, still work...   Fri, 12 Jan 2018 - 18:51
- - cabbyman   My initial reaction is that you can't respond ...   Fri, 12 Jan 2018 - 19:06
- - nosferatu1001   You respond requiring them to send a compliant lba...   Sun, 14 Jan 2018 - 00:50
- - DragonQ   OK here's my proposed response, is it OK? I do...   Sun, 14 Jan 2018 - 15:08
- - nosferatu1001   Send to Gladstones postal address Pretty sure if y...   Mon, 15 Jan 2018 - 07:58
- - DragonQ   Got a very short letter from the solicitor, along ...   Fri, 16 Feb 2018 - 17:48
- - DragonQ   Bump   Sat, 3 Mar 2018 - 19:45
- - Redivi   Dear Sir Ref **** Thank You for your letter date...   Sun, 4 Mar 2018 - 07:36
- - antiBully   Perhaps try a variation of this? https://twitte...   Wed, 18 Apr 2018 - 00:18
- - Ronie   Hi I have got similar letter for the PCN issued ...   Thu, 17 May 2018 - 12:48
- - nosferatu1001   You should start your own thread, as the rules you...   Thu, 17 May 2018 - 16:43
- - Ronie   Thanks My thread is already there: http://forums...   Tue, 22 May 2018 - 13:46
- - ostell   Letter befoe Action, Letter before Claim same dif...   Tue, 22 May 2018 - 16:17
- - Ronie   I mean most of people says forget it when google i...   Thu, 24 May 2018 - 08:59
- - nosferatu1001   The parking companies arent ethical. Until they ge...   Thu, 24 May 2018 - 09:16
- - Eljayjay   Ronie, You are hijacking DragonQ's thread. U...   Thu, 24 May 2018 - 09:51
- - Ronie   Sorry about that. I will update my thread. Last q...   Thu, 24 May 2018 - 09:54
- - DragonQ   Received the claim forms by post today. I need to ...   Wed, 13 Jun 2018 - 21:20
- - ostell   No you don't. You acknowledge the claim using...   Wed, 13 Jun 2018 - 21:33
- - nosferatu1001   You will also email your defence , signed if cours...   Wed, 13 Jun 2018 - 21:36
- - DragonQ   The form is dated 11th June. I will sort it out wh...   Thu, 14 Jun 2018 - 07:25
- - DragonQ   I assume I don't want to contest the jurisdict...   Thu, 14 Jun 2018 - 16:22
|- - Jlc   QUOTE (DragonQ @ Thu, 14 Jun 2018 - 17...   Thu, 14 Jun 2018 - 16:27
- - Eljayjay   You say that you bought the property. Presumably,...   Thu, 14 Jun 2018 - 17:15
|- - DragonQ   QUOTE (Eljayjay @ Thu, 14 Jun 2018 - 17...   Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 16:10
- - Eljayjay   Precisely what do the deeds say? Presumably, you ...   Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 22:27
|- - DragonQ   QUOTE (Eljayjay @ Fri, 15 Jun 2018 - 22...   Sat, 16 Jun 2018 - 16:17
- - Eljayjay   I am unclear about how your deeds to your freehold...   Sat, 16 Jun 2018 - 17:26
|- - DragonQ   QUOTE (Eljayjay @ Sat, 16 Jun 2018 - 17...   Sat, 16 Jun 2018 - 18:46
- - Eljayjay   If you can post a redacted version of the deeds, t...   Sat, 16 Jun 2018 - 19:35
- - emanresu   QUOTE The management company presumably owns the v...   Sun, 17 Jun 2018 - 05:56
- - DragonQ   I asked our management company (i.e. the people we...   Sun, 17 Jun 2018 - 09:29
- - emanresu   The address of the MA / Head Leaseholder traces ba...   Sun, 17 Jun 2018 - 09:55
- - DragonQ   It's a bit odd but there is some more informat...   Sun, 17 Jun 2018 - 10:51
- - Eljayjay   I have given your attachment a quick read through....   Sun, 17 Jun 2018 - 13:16
- - DragonQ   Thanks a lot Eljayjay, I really appreciate it. I ...   Sun, 17 Jun 2018 - 13:41
- - Eljayjay   I was just taking a quick peep when I saw your pos...   Sun, 17 Jun 2018 - 17:20
- - emanresu   QUOTE I cannot find anything in it which would com...   Sun, 17 Jun 2018 - 18:24
- - nosferatu1001   You cannot counterclaim for costs arising from the...   Sun, 17 Jun 2018 - 20:17
- - Eljayjay   Below you will find a draft defence for you to pos...   Mon, 18 Jun 2018 - 15:29
- - DragonQ   Thanks, I will take a look at this list of paragra...   Mon, 18 Jun 2018 - 16:30
- - Eljayjay   Insofar as a defence is concerned, the following i...   Mon, 18 Jun 2018 - 17:39
- - nosferatu1001   Eli - the defence should be written in the 3rd per...   Tue, 19 Jun 2018 - 07:02
- - Eljayjay   I expect the OP to be able to successfully defend ...   Tue, 19 Jun 2018 - 15:00
- - DragonQ   OK so I've taken my original defence and remov...   Wed, 20 Jun 2018 - 10:54
- - Eljayjay   Give yourself a pat on the back. Others may knock...   Wed, 20 Jun 2018 - 11:35
- - nosferatu1001   I wouldnt remove items just to fit into MCOL. It d...   Wed, 20 Jun 2018 - 12:45
- - ManxRed   Or in Word. Insert signature as a pic. Save As, ...   Wed, 20 Jun 2018 - 13:12
- - DragonQ   I assumed posting the defence online would allow a...   Wed, 20 Jun 2018 - 14:20
- - nosferatu1001   Given weve told you to email it, you can presume y...   Wed, 20 Jun 2018 - 14:27
- - DragonQ   OK, if I email the court using the address listed ...   Wed, 20 Jun 2018 - 14:40
- - nosferatu1001   Ignore mcol. It's the new CCBCAQ email   Wed, 20 Jun 2018 - 17:35
- - DragonQ   OK I'm going to send the following email tomor...   Thu, 28 Jun 2018 - 16:50
- - Eljayjay   It seems good to go to me.   Thu, 28 Jun 2018 - 17:58
- - nosferatu1001   Needs a real signature remember. Scan to a jpeg an...   Fri, 29 Jun 2018 - 03:46
- - DragonQ   Actually the Justice email guidance says a "r...   Sat, 30 Jun 2018 - 10:19
- - ostell   "real signature" as against "copy o...   Sat, 30 Jun 2018 - 11:50
- - DragonQ   Yep all done, got an automated response for it.   Sat, 30 Jun 2018 - 13:54
- - DragonQ   I have received a copy of the Directions Questionn...   Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 16:57
- - Redivi   Standard Gladstones response to a defence Search ...   Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 17:03
- - DragonQ   So I am expected to just fill out the Directions Q...   Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 17:18
- - Redivi   The court will send you the DQ to complete when it...   Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 17:34
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