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Yellow Box Junction - East Ham High Street, Harsh penalty? Only just failed to clear the box
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post Sun, 24 Mar 2019 - 18:35
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Hi Folks,

I was wondering if you take a look at the pictures and video I have uploaded and see whether I could challenge this PCN.

I feel I have some grounds to make representations against this decision:

1. The yellow lines were quite faded. mad.gif

2. The road ahead was clear when I entered the box junction. unsure.gif

3. The back wheels had only just failed to clear the line when stationery at the pedestrian crossing. It was hard to judge whether or not I had cleared the junction box whilst stationery. The faded lines also impacted my judgement. glasses2.gif

4. I pulled short of the pedestrian crossing deliberately to ensure the crossing was clear to pedestrians in case the green man walk signal came on. angel7.gif walk.gif

5. No car was impeded whilst I was stationery in the box. icon_salut.gif

Please have look, all comments and advice would be gratefully received.

Cheers.
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post Thu, 16 May 2019 - 10:58
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Hi,

So my appeal is that I did not contravene the yellow box rule as I had enough space to clear the junction. But deliberately pulled short in order to maintain the pedestrian crossing was clear. Which is what I did.

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post Thu, 16 May 2019 - 11:34
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Put the video on a site that does not require us to download anything and I will look to drafting an appeal


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post Thu, 16 May 2019 - 11:35
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Will do, thanks.
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post Thu, 16 May 2019 - 12:12
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https://vimeo.com/user98584592/review/336565304/913d4f9d29
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post Thu, 16 May 2019 - 12:17
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QUOTE (Helpmeifyoucanplease @ Thu, 16 May 2019 - 13:12) *


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post Thu, 16 May 2019 - 12:25
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Sorry...

https://vimeo.com/336565304

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x78h5iv
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post Thu, 16 May 2019 - 12:52
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To me, you didn't stop due to the presence of stationary vehicles, rather, to leave the crossing clear.

and that on a section of box extending significantly beyond the junction.


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post Thu, 16 May 2019 - 13:22
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My thoughts exactly.
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post Thu, 16 May 2019 - 16:52
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However, don't expect a slam-dunk win. IMHO you'll have to go to London Tribunals for this one. It looks like a typical case of a YBJ contravention to me. I think you'll need all your powers of persuasion with the adjudicator. Of course a de minimis argument could also be presented.
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post Thu, 16 May 2019 - 16:58
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QUOTE (Incandescent @ Thu, 16 May 2019 - 17:52) *
However, don't expect a slam-dunk win. IMHO you'll have to go to London Tribunals for this one. It looks like a typical case of a YBJ contravention to me. I think you'll need all your powers of persuasion with the adjudicator. Of course a de minimis argument could also be presented.


council have already rejected Inc, But look at the box

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/High+St...#33;4d0.0505307


Beyond the junction, wherever you measure from


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post Fri, 17 May 2019 - 19:17
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QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Thu, 16 May 2019 - 12:34) *
Put the video on a site that does not require us to download anything and I will look to drafting an appeal



I'm happy to receive your draft at your convenience.

Thanks!
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post Fri, 17 May 2019 - 20:08
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QUOTE (Helpmeifyoucanplease @ Fri, 17 May 2019 - 20:17) *
QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Thu, 16 May 2019 - 12:34) *
Put the video on a site that does not require us to download anything and I will look to drafting an appeal



I'm happy to receive your draft at your convenience.

Thanks!



I have 4 to do over the next few days, your is number 3. If I have not done by Wednesday bump to remind me


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post Fri, 17 May 2019 - 20:22
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That's very kind of you.

Cheers!
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post Wed, 22 May 2019 - 14:07
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Hi Pastmybest,

Just a reminder for my letter.

Thanks.
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post Wed, 22 May 2019 - 16:02
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QUOTE (Helpmeifyoucanplease @ Wed, 22 May 2019 - 15:07) *
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Hi Pastmybest,

Just a reminder for my letter.

Thanks.


Ok in the next day or so


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post Thu, 23 May 2019 - 17:55
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Hi Pastmybest,

No need for the letter, I discovered yesterday that if I didn't pay the PCN by yesterday the fine would have doubled. So I made payment yesterday.

It was too much of a risk for me if things didn't go my way.

I hope you're too disappointed, I should have kept eye on the date, but the last 14 days have rushed by.

Thanks for all your help and indeed for everyone that have contributed. Your efforts have been much appreciated.



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post Thu, 23 May 2019 - 19:33
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Thanks for letting me know. You could never appeal at the reduced rate so would have had to be prepared to risk the full£130


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post Thu, 23 May 2019 - 19:43
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Again, my thoughts exactly.

Shame though, £65 was worth a punt, but £135 a bridge too far.
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