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dillon200
post Mon, 29 Nov 2021 - 20:35
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Hi All,

Simple question this time.

Is this real should I be worried

The information appears to be correct, address, reg number etc but it feels like a scam.

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post Mon, 29 Nov 2021 - 20:47
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Yes, It's a real Letter of Claim and court action is very likely to follow.

Do you have the PCN this charge relates to?


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post Mon, 29 Nov 2021 - 21:09
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Yes, of course it's "real". Presumably this follows on from. A parking charge?

You are required to respond within the deadline
Debt denied because.... (obviously, we've got no idea why, youve not told us anything) and you're seeking debt advice so place on hold form30 days.
I also require the following documents both under the PAP for debt claims (look it up, section 4.2 from memory) AND the overriding objective of the civil procedure rules the following documents
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Here you ask for AT LEAST their clients contract to operate on the site, images of the signs their client contends creates the contractual basis for their claim, copy of the original pcn etc


If you don't have any docs, then a sar to the parking company is a must. Google it if yiu dint know what a sar is
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post Mon, 29 Nov 2021 - 21:44
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so do you know what it relates to? if so lets have all the info and post up any letters youve recieved with personal details and reg number deleted.

if not, then as above... Subject Access Request to parking Co ASAP !!

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dillon200
post Tue, 30 Nov 2021 - 06:25
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Thank you all, this was my company van and I have no idea who was driving at the time, I stopped trading nearly a year ago and the company is being resolved.
I think I will just pay this and be done with it, I have very little fight left in me these days.

Thanks again
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post Tue, 30 Nov 2021 - 08:45
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Dissolved.

If it was a limited company then any alleged debt died when the company dissolved. If there's no assets now then there is nothing that they can claim from the company now.
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post Tue, 30 Nov 2021 - 09:34
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Who was the van registered to? The company?
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post Tue, 30 Nov 2021 - 09:58
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The van was registered to the company which at this moment is being desolved by my accountant but not finalised.

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post Tue, 30 Nov 2021 - 10:05
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So is it a limited company?


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post Tue, 30 Nov 2021 - 10:08
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So who is the letter addressed to?

If it is the company then:

Option 1: REPLY:
"I write as the Company Secretary of the company.
The company was the registered keeper of vehicle VRM.
The company has no assets and is in the process of being struck off.
I do not know who the driver was at the time of the alleged incident who could've been one of a number of former employees.

You have no chance of success against a soon to be dissolved company."

Option 2: IGNORE


If they raise a claim against a company (it is the company RIGHT?) then even if they 'win' a judgment in default, they can't collect because the company will be gone.

In all honesty, if what you say is true, and they've raised a claim against a company the best option is to ignore it.
Paying it is really, really stupid.
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post Tue, 30 Nov 2021 - 12:50
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Thank you, I can assure you everything I said is true, it is a Ltd company I havent traded or drawn wages for nearly a year, the bank accounts are empty and will be closed in the next 3 days. I was only a one man band using sub contract labour which is why I dont know who the driver was. Covid stopped me working and I have now taken a paye job.
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post Tue, 30 Nov 2021 - 13:04
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Ok, oomfollow as above.
Have they written to the company, ie the actual company is named and not an individual?
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post Tue, 30 Nov 2021 - 14:21
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Yes to confirm it is a Ltd company, they have written to the company, the vehicle belonged to the company at the time but now sold along with all other assets, there quite literally is nothing left.
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post Tue, 30 Nov 2021 - 14:45
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I would not ignore, send that letter telling them that the company is in the process of being dissolved, but wait till just before the end of the 30 days. Don't put in the line about no chance.

The reason for not ignoring is that they may well plough ahead to a claim and perhaps win by default. This means that they could send bailiffs round to the address of the company, which would be hassle for all.
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post Tue, 30 Nov 2021 - 14:49
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As above, but I would ideally wait until after it is dissolved, as I think if they file a claim against the company that halts the process
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post Wed, 1 Dec 2021 - 18:10
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QUOTE (nosferatu1001 @ Tue,) *
As above, but I would ideally wait until after it is dissolved, as I think if they file a claim against the company that halts the process

This is what I'm afraid of, while all the assets are gone and bank accounts are closed the paperwork side is ongoing.

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post Wed, 1 Dec 2021 - 20:11
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QUOTE (nosferatu1001 @ Tue, 30 Nov 2021 - 14:49) *
As above, but I would ideally wait until after it is dissolved, as I think if they file a claim against the company that halts the process


I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think so.
Speaking as a Chartered Accountant, twenty years in the game, there is nothing as incompetent and un-joined up as Companies House with the rest of government.
The court service will NOT tell Companies House about the CCJ (if one is obtained) and Companies House won't stop strike off because of it.

Now, obtaining a CCJ would allow them to object to the dissolution, but even then, if you sit tight and do nothing Companies House WILL strike off eventually (but it'll be a year or two).
If the company has no assets, it can't just magically obtain them by selecting some random stranger (called a Director or Shareholder) to pay instead.
That's the whole point of limited liability.

Send the letter, or sit tight. I certainly wouldn't be paying.
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post Thu, 2 Dec 2021 - 06:12
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OK in conclusion.

First thanks again to everyone for the advice.

2, Im sure the fine is correct, someone using my van overstayed their welcome

3 Because it was not a pay and display but a number plate recognition device, that person probably did not know anything about it, so I see no point in having a which hunt to find them.

4 all in all I should have kept record of who was driving what and when (easier said than done).

5 I should have picked up on this earlier but have not.

6 I dont like owing money, I have a very debt free life, when I stopped trading I made sure all debts were paid, suppliers, sub contractors and employees. I did think my business was a done deal.

7 So today I have paid the debt from my own pocket for peace of mind and a stress free life that I seek.


So good bye and Merry Christmas until next time.
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QUOTE (dillon200 @ Thu, 2 Dec 2021 - 06:12) *
2, Im sure the fine is correct, someone using my van overstayed their welcome

For clarity, it's an invoice, like any other invoice and in this case for the cost of parking.

What it is not is a fine and ONLY a court can fine you (even the Police and other authorities can only issue penalties not fines).


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