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hustler6969
post Sun, 9 Dec 2018 - 21:16
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Guys,

I'm not sure if this is the right forum for this, but since it'd be a TfL/council enforced charge, I thought you guys might know more or have a definitie answer.

I'm trying to plan ahead and dreading having to dish-out for a new car. My confusion is with the current T-Charge in central london and the upcoming ULEZ from April 2019.

Now my understanding is both T-charge and ULEZ have the same standard: i.e. petrol cars Euro 4 and newer are exempt. My understanding is that mine (petrol) is not Euro 4 (slightly confusing because I it was registered Dec 2004 and Euro 4 for petrol is 1 Jan 2005 onwards).

Now, when I check the TfL website T-charge checker it says I'm not exempt as I don't meet Euro 4. And yes, I've paid the T-charge several occasions.

Now when I check the TfL website upcoming ULEZ checker, it says I'm excempt, as I meet the 'at least Euro 4 standard'.

I'm confused now, which one is right and which one is wrong? Cuz how can both have the same requirement but I'm paying one and exempt from the other??

It'd be great if someone could confirm and help me plan my budget for next year (hopefully wont have to change cars and save some cash)!

Unfortunately, theres a disclaimer under the ULEZ which completel washes their hands out of any responsibility!

Any thoughts much appreciated
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post Mon, 17 Dec 2018 - 09:50
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You may want to have a look at my thread also in the flame pit on our company's woes with the ULEZ - http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=124225

This website seems to hold more accurate data on a vehicles Euro rating (certainly in our case) - http://eurostandards.co.uk/

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At the moment I drive a 2006 Diesel Berlingo which isn't compliant, and I live 2 minutes outside the CC zone so no exemption for me. However, prior to that I had a 1990 Bedford Rascal van -- a modern classic, but not compliant even though it only had a 1 litre engine.

I'm also trying to plan ahead, so can a small engined vehicles be made compliant - and if so does anyone know the procedure?

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post Wed, 19 Dec 2018 - 09:10
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Take a look at this once fitted you can get the vehicle VOSA approved and it will then be compliant.
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post Thu, 20 Dec 2018 - 12:59
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Right, recieved confirmation from VW that car IS Euro 4, so going to chase TfL now, a) first with a list of all the times I've been charged T-charge since introduction b) get my money back c) get it off the T-checker baddies list

Bloody TfL!
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post Thu, 20 Dec 2018 - 13:22
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QUOTE (Korting @ Wed, 19 Dec 2018 - 09:10) *
Take a look at this once fitted you can get the vehicle VOSA approved and it will then be compliant.

Erm, no.

Its got nothing to do with VOSA and it won't make any difference anyway. To be approved as a second stage manufacturer to get it validated at a later emissions level will cost a minium of £50,000.

EDIT: ASA ruling on a similar snake oil contraption
https://www.asa.org.uk/rulings/cgon-ltd-a17-386763.html

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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Thu, 20 Dec 2018 - 13:22) *
EDIT: ASA ruling on a similar snake oil contraption

Don't worry, another one will be along in a minute...

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post Fri, 21 Dec 2018 - 11:10
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Indeed, fools and their money are easily separated.


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My car is Euro 5 - is it a good or bad thing in terms of ULEZ?
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post Tue, 16 Jul 2019 - 11:58
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QUOTE (countryside mummy @ Tue, 16 Jul 2019 - 12:07) *
My car is Euro 5 - is it a good or bad thing in terms of ULEZ?

Depends on the fuel.

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Minimum emission standards
Petrol: Euro 4
Diesel: Euro 6

Petrol it's fine, Diesel it's not.


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post Tue, 16 Jul 2019 - 13:02
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Something to bear in mind is that the ULEZ checker appears to ignore IVA/SVA cars.

A 1996-registered, 2012 manufactured kit-car is LEZ and ULEZ compliant, despite having an Euro 3 engine and custom exhaust system...

Got to love it.
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post Tue, 16 Jul 2019 - 13:21
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So they've created an emissions based system that isn't based on vehicle emissions?
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post Tue, 16 Jul 2019 - 13:43
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Its based on the emissions compliance level of the car, not on the actual emissions (as that would be impossible).

IVA/SVA is such a tiny proportion of cars as to be meaningless.


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post Tue, 16 Jul 2019 - 14:12
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Tue, 16 Jul 2019 - 14:43) *
Its based on the emissions compliance level of the car, not on the actual emissions (as that would be impossible).


So, I could modify my non-compliant car's chassis, subject it to an IVA, and drive for free around London?

That can't be right.
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post Tue, 16 Jul 2019 - 15:32
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If it's modified sufficient to need IVA, why not. Well legally right, morally probably not!).


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Excuse my ignorance, what is IVA / SVA?
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post Fri, 19 Jul 2019 - 07:45
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Individual Vehicle Approval or Special Vehicle Approval, its a way of confirming a car without European Whole Vehicle Type Approval (aka homologation, which will be 99.9% of cars on the road) is fit for use on the roads, so for grey imports from Japan (or elsewhere), kit or component cars, Works rally cars etc are all deemed legal to be registered via that means.


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post Wed, 28 Aug 2019 - 13:11
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They still seem to have some messed up records somewhere - I just got a PCN for driving my Hyundai Kona electric (100% electric) in the ULEZ zone. The PCN even shows "EV" as part of the model name. Idiots.

The only thing I can think of is that I transferred the reg off my old deisel car, but that was back in May.

I just checked on the ULEZ checker, and sure enough, it is still showing my old car make & model

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post Wed, 28 Aug 2019 - 14:26
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QUOTE (whitewing @ Wed, 28 Aug 2019 - 14:11) *
They still seem to have some messed up records somewhere - I just got a PCN for driving my Hyundai Kona electric (100% electric) in the ULEZ zone. The PCN even shows "EV" as part of the model name. Idiots.

The only thing I can think of is that I transferred the reg off my old deisel car, but that was back in May.

I just checked on the ULEZ checker, and sure enough, it is still showing my old car make & model
I assume you have the new v5c for the Hyundai showing the changed reg ?
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Must have or it wouldn’t show as a Kona on the PCN as that is taken direct from DVLA.

It’s all by computer, so no one will have seen the ‘EV’ at all before sending it’s just a text string, you don’t expect them to pay for human beings?


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post Wed, 28 Aug 2019 - 15:19
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QUOTE (DancingDad @ Wed, 28 Aug 2019 - 15:26) *
QUOTE (whitewing @ Wed, 28 Aug 2019 - 14:11) *
They still seem to have some messed up records somewhere - I just got a PCN for driving my Hyundai Kona electric (100% electric) in the ULEZ zone. The PCN even shows "EV" as part of the model name. Idiots.

The only thing I can think of is that I transferred the reg off my old deisel car, but that was back in May.

I just checked on the ULEZ checker, and sure enough, it is still showing my old car make & model

I assume you have the new v5c for the Hyundai showing the changed reg ?

Yes - done 3 months ago. What is odd is that the PCN shows the correct vehicle type (which they should know to be exempt), but the checker shows the old one, so looks like they are using the out-of-date data to detect infringements, but the current one to issue PCNs, with no cross-check.

Have submitted reps via the website, including a copy of the V5, with "electric" circled in red!

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