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post Fri, 1 Oct 2010 - 00:43
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QUOTE (pumps100 @ Wed, 26 Jan 2011 - 12:36) *
While out with the dog this morning I came up with another thought about a comment I should have incorporated into the letter to the Independent. Mr Troy suggests regulation is the answer to the issue of the private wheel clamping industry. You cannot seriously expect government to regulate what is effectively racketeering. The solution is simple - ban it completely as in Scotland and the problem is resolved.

Please feel free to use any of this for any letters.

BTW was Troy a character in Fireball XL5 - or was it Stingray?

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QUOTE (pumps100 @ Wed, 26 Jan 2011 - 12:36) *
While out with the dog this morning I came up with another thought about a comment I should have incorporated into the letter to the Independent. Mr Troy suggests regulation is the answer to the issue of the private wheel clamping industry. You cannot seriously expect government to regulate what is effectively racketeering. The solution is simple - ban it completely as in Scotland and the problem is resolved.

Please feel free to use any of this for any letters.

BTW was Troy a character in Fireball XL5 - or was it Stingray?

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The mention of Fireball XL5 just reminded me that my first crush was a blonde puppet, although, in my defence, I was very young and Dr Venus was French.

Didn't Stingray feature the voices of Ray Barrett and Lois Maxwell (Miss Moneypenny) ?
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post Wed, 26 Jan 2011 - 14:31
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Did Parker ever get clamped ? Maybe he'd call International Rescue laugh.gif
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QUOTE (nigel_bytes @ Wed, 26 Jan 2011 - 14:31) *
Did Parker ever get clamped ? Maybe he'd call International Rescue laugh.gif


I see my appeal for solidarity against the clamping industry has turned into something else. I started the decline so I suppose it is entirely my fault.

Nigel,

You have gone completely off topic. As most will know Parker was Lady Penelope's chauffeur and it was Thunderbirds (I think!) biggrin.gif

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My former manager was nicknamed Thunderbird 1.

Whenever a situation involved the chance of overseas travel he would be the first on the scene.

Responsibility for lugging all the equipment and doing something with it was left to the poor unfortunate who had ended up as TB2 for the day.
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For the avoidance of any doubt I believe this is the Troy under discussion



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Guess what if you google 'Patrick Troy (not Troy Tempest) and wheel clamping' you get library of press articles/real stories about wheel clamping incidents. It is a useful but sad point of reference. Troy Tempest's stock response is " Wheel clamping is a last resport....". What a lot of tosh.

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Patrick Troy, Esq.

QUOTE (pumps100 @ Wed, 26 Jan 2011 - 18:31) *
For the avoidance of any doubt I believe this is the Troy under discussion

No, the picture I provided is funnier.
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But both of them show strings being pulled laughing6.gif
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Well surprise surprise there are a couple of letters in today's Independent in response to Troy Tempest's wheel clamping letter of earlier in the week. Both letters fit very nicely as a combo.

One of them I have seen somewhere before.

Enjoy



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BPA motto, "If at first you don't succeed, Troy, Troy again".

LOL! biggrin.gif

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I noticed that Lynn Featherstone MP the Home Office Minister answered a written question in parliament on 26th january about 'protection' in the Freedom Bill for private landowners. I wonder if the person asking the question is on the board of the SIA or Troy tempest's BPA. Seems an odd question.

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2011-01-26a.35693.h

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The Independent is continuing with its Perspectives on Wheel Clamping in the letters page.

I think it is the infamous LBS??

From The Independent 31.1.11
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How a sick lady was gouged for £500

I stopped my car for just five minutes in an empty car park in Essex because I desperately needed the loo at an adjacent petrol station (letters, 25 January). I came out to find my vehicle clamped and the clamper standing beside my car.

I begged and pleaded. I had barely the cash for my petrol, no credit cards, no mobile phone, a middle-aged woman in poor health, 80 miles from home and no one I could contact.

The clampers produced an ancient tow-truck within a few minutes and removed my car. I was crying so much I couldn't even understand where they were taking it. By now, the anxiety, together with an underlying illness, was causing an asthma attack but I somehow had to make my way to the clamper "headquarters" in Ockendon.

This turned out to be a scrapyard with roaming pit-bull terriers, where I was admitted and then locked in with the abusive and terrifying owner who refused to release my car until I had paid £500.

I eventually managed to get a friend to phone over payment. By this time, the asthma attack had become severe and an ambulance had to be called. A kindly paramedic retrieved my car; I couldn't take any more of the jeering and sneering clampers and their laughing comments that I had brought it all on myself.

Essex police were not interested. Likewise the relevant council and trading standards. I believe this Essex clamping firm laughs at anyone who attempts to sue them. They merely cease trading then re-emerge under a variety of names.

I would be so grateful for advice from Patrick Troy, the chief executive of the British Parking Association about where I should go from here, bearing in mind I have no money for legal fees or solicitors, and I am still paying back the £500.

Diana Jennings


If you have read this and you want to play your part in bringing an end to private wheel clamping without appeasement to the racketeers can you do this?

1. Go on the internet and find out your member of parliament's name and get his/her email address at Westminster - easy to find.

2. Send him/her and email regarding 'Wheel Clamping' something like:-
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I understand that as part of the Governments Freedom Bill there is to be a ban on the clamping of vehicles on private land by private wheel clampers. But what seems unclear to me is when the actual ban will become law. In my opinion the current uncertainty is making the situation even worse as private clampers are apparently becoming ever more predatory.

Can you please ask the Home Office Minister when the ban on private wheel clamping will become law - or give a best estimate of when will actually happen.


3. Your MP will just send your query to the Home Office and hopefully public opinion should help to move matters forward. The longer it takes the more fears I have that they will take a softer line with the racketeers.

Your action can make a difference.

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From today's Independent - more letters.

Not so sure I understand what the man from the RAC is saying
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Clamp ban won't end the misery

The RAC Foundation has the utmost sympathy with motorists who are clamped on private land and treated unreasonably, like Diana Jennings (letter, 31 January). But a ban on wheel clamping will not end the misery of fines imposed by parking enforcers on private land. If the Government goes ahead and prohibits wheel-clamping without regulating other activities, motorists may find themselves worse off.

It is our belief that rogue clampers will simply become rogue ticketers – pressuring drivers into paying charges on the spot, or following them home. What is being proposed by the Government falls far short of what is needed to ensure that motorists will not be exploited by an unregulated parking industry. Anyone dealing with parking matters and collection of penalties and charges should have to abide by a government-approved code of conduct. The war on the motorist will not end with a ban on wheel clamping.

Stephen Glaister
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The distressing letter from Diana Jennings about her experience in being forced to pay £500 to a gang of wheel-clampers shows what the nature of the problem is.
Gangs of crooks are taking over patches of unused land and are using them to lure unsuspecting motorists into situations where money can be extorted from them. This is nothing to do with the provision of parking but everything to do with organised robbery on a large scale.

Currently the law in England is taking a relaxed view about this process, provided that the word "parking" is quoted. However, this should be seen as nothing more than the forcible demanding of money with menaces, and the existing law on this crime must be applied with maximum severity.

Sam Boote
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I think what the RAC chap is getting at is that if clamping is banned, all that will happen is that vulnerable drivers will find themselves with tickets instead, and a PPC van blocking their exit until the ticket has been paid, or worse driving home and being confronted by a PPC operative who has followed them.

I can see how for some people this could actually be worse.

So what the chap is getting at is that the proposals do not go far enough in the sense that it isn't just the clamping, it should include any attempts to block drivers from driving their vehicles away, and also to ensure that drivers are protected from thuggish harassment either at the scene or at home.


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QUOTE (Mortimer @ Tue, 1 Feb 2011 - 15:29) *
I think what the RAC chap is getting at is that if clamping is banned, all that will happen is that vulnerable drivers will find themselves with tickets instead, and a PPC van blocking their exit until the ticket has been paid, or worse driving home and being confronted by a PPC operative who has followed them.

I can see how for some people this could actually be worse.

So what the chap is getting at is that the proposals do not go far enough in the sense that it isn't just the clamping, it should include any attempts to block drivers from driving their vehicles away, and also to ensure that drivers are protected from thuggish harassment either at the scene or at home.



But causing a obstuction with a vehicle is ticketable by the police therefore calling them and making a complaint should result is them getting a valid ticket. However what is less clear what happens it they put a chain accross the gate.
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Clamp ban won't end the misery


Any change in legislation usually gets the comment - Did you trial it? / Are you going to trial it?

Everyone seems to forget that north of the border there is no private clamping. A real long term "trial" which has not caused massed jam-ups.

It seems that most commentators either have a vested interest or are talking out of their alternative mouthpieces.


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