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post Fri, 1 Oct 2010 - 00:43
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post Fri, 1 Oct 2010 - 06:24
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Could someone tell Mr Troy that private clamping has been banned in Scotland for nearly twenty years, and that country hasn't ground to a halt because of it. 
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post Fri, 1 Oct 2010 - 06:54
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I see the old myth about ""people parking on your drive"" has reared its head.
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post Sun, 10 Oct 2010 - 00:09
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In the same vein as the above, but from the government:

I think this is a blog from August (not sure?) but it seems that anti-clamping Home Office minister Lynne Featherstone hasn't got a clue as to whether PPC tickets are enforceable or not! Or am I reading her blog wrong?

I think she needs some reasoned, polite replies to put her right so the Government don't do something alarmingly stupid in the Freedom Bill about ticketing:

What IS she on about here?

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But what to do about the owners of private land? Of course – there has to be something to take the place of wheel clamping – some deterrent to prohibit people from parking on private property. Landowners have an absolute right to protect their land from people parking on it. So – in Scotland private landowners either protected that land by a barrier method or switched to ticketing.
Ticketing is highly regulated and consumer protection legislation already applies. There is already an independent appeals process in place – and it is a good and proportionate deterrent.
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QUOTE (SchoolRunMum @ Sun, 10 Oct 2010 - 01:09) *
What IS she on about here?

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But what to do about the owners of private land? Of course – there has to be something to take the place of wheel clamping – some deterrent to prohibit people from parking on private property. Landowners have an absolute right to protect their land from people parking on it. So – in Scotland private landowners either protected that land by a barrier method or switched to ticketing.
Ticketing is highly regulated and consumer protection legislation already applies. There is already an independent appeals process in place – and it is a good and proportionate deterrent.
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Methinks someone has supped too oft at the propaganda table. This is clear evidence of the effectiveness of the BPA's lobbying for the regulation of private parking. It might already be too late to stop this gravy train.


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Methinks someone has supped too oft at the propaganda table. This is clear evidence of the effectiveness of the BPA's lobbying for the regulation of private parking. It might already be too late to stop this gravy train.


Agreed.

The BPA seem to have come from no where and suddenly self appointed themselves as a regulating body and advisors to Govt. They are very dangerous to the public since they do not serve their interest and should not be trusted. I'd rather see the AA given a bigger role in advising Govt than the self serving beast that is the BPA.
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post Mon, 11 Oct 2010 - 04:52
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IMHO, the biggest danger is if the government make private tickets enforceable when they outlaw clamping, as has been suggested to be the case. If they merely assume that it is then there is no reason for them to do so.
If they don't do it when they outlaw clamping, they would be very unlikely to do it later.



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post Mon, 11 Oct 2010 - 06:58
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So the best plan of attack may well be keep stum, don't wake LF up and let the clamping ban be passed without change to private parking.
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post Thu, 9 Dec 2010 - 18:06
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Obvioulsy we know that back in mid August, all private clamping and towing was to be made illegal but what actual date will this come into force as i don't see it anywhere??

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post Thu, 9 Dec 2010 - 18:23
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A bit of an unknown, the primary legislation in way of the Freedom Bill is iirc due Feb of next year. There is then talk of the need to make regulations by SI to bring it into force.

There are concerns of delay.


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post Thu, 9 Dec 2010 - 19:09
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Hence the clampers seeking to fill their boots as quickly as they can, in the hope they can retire once the ban is confirmed.


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post Thu, 9 Dec 2010 - 23:03
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You could contact this MP and ask him. He was one of two that LBS threatened earlier this year..

http://www.markfrancois.com/text.aspx?id=1
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post Fri, 10 Dec 2010 - 00:09
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QUOTE (RD400E @ Thu, 9 Dec 2010 - 23:03) *
You could contact this MP and ask him. He was one of two that LBS threatened earlier this year..

http://www.markfrancois.com/text.aspx?id=1


You can read about it here. http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/8271655.Cl...P___s_driveway/
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post Fri, 10 Dec 2010 - 00:46
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Anon's report of some correspondence with the Home Office suggests that this is another item on the list of broken promises.

The Bill isn't going to be on the books until the autumn of next year with the actual ban delayed for several years afterward.
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post Fri, 10 Dec 2010 - 01:41
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QUOTE (RD400E @ Thu, 9 Dec 2010 - 23:03) *
You could contact this MP and ask him. He was one of two that LBS threatened earlier this year..
http://www.markfrancois.com/text.aspx?id=1

I've just emailed him an invite to visit PePiPoo.
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post Fri, 10 Dec 2010 - 09:36
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Anon's report of some correspondence with the Home Office suggests that this is another item on the list of broken promises.

The Bill isn't going to be on the books until the autumn of next year with the actual ban delayed for several years afterward.


The Home Office told me that there would "need to be a very substantial lead-in time to give vehicle immobilisation firms time to prepare and adjust to the forthcoming ban"- no precise timescale was given, but I fear, from the tone of the reply, that several years is exactly what they have in mind (that is, if the clamping firms don't succeed in persuading the Government to drop the ban altogether, and it appears they are lobbying very hard indeed).

If you think the situation is bad now, then, if anything, it will get even worse during this 'lead-in' time as rogue clampers will have absolutely nothing to lose.

I've said it 100 times before, but we really need a case where a victim is convicted of "criminal damage" by damaging a clamp lock or breaking into a pound to retrieve an unlawfully clamped or towed vehicle and then succeeds with an appeal by case stated on the basis of their honest and indeed reasonable belief , backed by the plain wording of 5(3) as universally interpreted in all non-clamping cases, that the reputation of rogue clampers (in ignoring both CCJs and court orders for the release of towed vehicles) and great difficulty in holding the contractor (if any!) responsible means that paying and suing would simply be throwing good money after bad, leaving no realistic alternative to the use of "self-help".

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post Fri, 10 Dec 2010 - 10:22
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Can you imagine the uproar if it went
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The Home Office told me that there would "need to be a very substantial lead-in time to give vehicle immobilisation firms drug dealers time to prepare and adjust to the forthcoming ban"

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post Sat, 11 Dec 2010 - 16:38
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And since when does the government give two hoots about giving people time to prepare for anything else it does?

Does it announce in a budget that the massive tax hike will be in "a few years' time" to give people time to adjust finances? No - It sometimes comes into effect from "midnight tonight."

Does the government give people plenty of time when bringing in yet another petty piece of restrictive legislation? No - In many cases it doesn't even do anything to make people aware of the new law, until cops start handing out fines or some Gestapo-style "Health & Safety" inspector or similar little dictator starts throwing his weight around.
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post Sat, 11 Dec 2010 - 16:56
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QUOTE (jdh @ Fri, 10 Dec 2010 - 10:22) *
Can you imagine the uproar if it went
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The Home Office told me that there would "need to be a very substantial lead-in time to give vehicle immobilisation firms drug dealers time to prepare and adjust to the forthcoming ban"

You're thereby defaming, by association, the average drug dealer, methinks. sleep.gif
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