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Fredd
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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Sat, 28 Mar 2020 - 17:21) *
QUOTE (AscotGuy @ Sat, 28 Mar 2020 - 17:15) *
"one form of exercise a day, for example a run, walk or cycle - alone or with members of your household"

That's advice, it may be very sensible advice, but it's not the law. The law says a reasonable excuse to leave your house includes the need for a person:

to take exercise either alone or with other members of their household

Nothing about it being once a day, or in the vicinity of one's home.

The reporting of these regulations is almost universally crap; here's one which tells people that travel for work is limited to "essential" work only. No wonder people get confused.
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QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Sat, 28 Mar 2020 - 17:26) *
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QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Sat, 28 Mar 2020 - 11:59) *
But the insured in this case will be driving 15K more miles than he is declaring and is doing so knowingly. Not a risk I would take for the few quid being a named driver would cost

The way I read it, the OP would be doing 15k miles extra in the spouse's but an equivalent 15k less in his own car, so the risk to his own insurer would be the same. If it's a smaller car, arguably his insurer is bearing a lower risk but still earning the same premium, so they'll be laughing all the way to the bank.


The OP does not say how many miles they declare on te other vehicle

Or whether his OH could plausibly claim to be the main driver of that vehicle, which is presumably the basis on which it's insured.
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Posted on: Yesterday, 11:16


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QUOTE (Mayhem007 @ Sat, 28 Mar 2020 - 10:55) *
And please don't come back with the crap I can choose not to go to work.

Perhaps you job really is essential to the country right now, in which case I and most others appreciate what you're doing. But it's not crap to say that people whose jobs aren't essential in that way, can't work from home, and can't do the job in a safe way within the current restrictions, shouldn't be going to work - as even Mike Ashley has had to accept.
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Posted on: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 - 23:45


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True; sloppy on my part to have left out the rest of the sentence. I was assuming that nobody would be daft enough to travel on business with an overnight stay if they could do the job without travelling, but then not everyone shares my aversion to routine, and costly, business travel. smile.gif
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Posted on: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 - 22:01


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QUOTE (DancingDad @ Fri, 27 Mar 2020 - 20:52) *
I am not going to ask for details but am intrigued which of the exemptions allows a trip to Scotland.

The one that drives a coach and horses through the notion of it being a "lockdown":
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6(2)(f): to travel for the purposes of work or to provide voluntary or charitable services,
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Posted on: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 - 10:47


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QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Fri, 27 Mar 2020 - 10:25) *
Imposing a short custodial sentence at the moment would be barmy.

Except perhaps for offences that directly relate to the current emergency - in Blackburn just one day from crime to 26 week sentence.
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Posted on: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 - 10:27


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QUOTE (Mayhem007 @ Fri, 27 Mar 2020 - 09:35) *
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The Scottish one is linked in the post just above yours.

Yeah thanks just noticed. Can't read it on my tablet at the moment until I load a PDF app. I'm going to Scotlland on Tuesday and normally stay in the hotel for 1 night.

The regulations have been coordinated between the Central and devolved Scottish and Welsh governments and are essentially identical, except where they reflect the different processes and responsible agencies in the three nations.
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Posted on: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 - 16:28


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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Thu, 26 Mar 2020 - 15:58) *
First FPN is £60 (discounted to £30 if paid within 14 days), second £120 (no discount), third is £240, the £480, then £960 which is the maximum (presumably you end up in court on the 6th occasion you get caught).

One would hope so, but the Regulations say "third and subsequent" which implies that they can issue as many further fixed penalty notices as they like, just that they're capped at £960.
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Posted on: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 - 14:43


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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Thu, 26 Mar 2020 - 13:57) *
If I get in my car and go for a drive round East Anglia's country lanes and then go back home, the risk of infection to me and to others is precisely zero. The risk is infinitely higher if I go for a run.


QUOTE (Fredd @ Tue, 24 Mar 2020 - 10:32) *
So aimlessly driving around in your sealed box is fine, as long as that doesn't involve stopping to buy snacks/fuel/wander about/have a pee.


I'd got the impression you were disagreeing with me, but apparently not. smile.gif
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Posted on: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 - 11:29


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QUOTE (Mayhem007 @ Thu, 26 Mar 2020 - 10:52) *
When this is all finished you need to get out more.

Good to see that the message is finally getting through. evil6.gif
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QUOTE (speedfighter23 @ Wed, 25 Mar 2020 - 22:48) *
I just think it is people accepting that this will be over soon and to take it easy, I guess almost like a holiday.

I think you've just redefined "cretin".

QUOTE (cp8759 @ Wed, 25 Mar 2020 - 22:13) *
I'd seen that already and I am yet to fathom how going for a drive has anything to do with that.

Obviously not. In common with many other people who can't seem to grasp the difference between "should I do this?" and "am I legally prohibited from doing this?".
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Posted on: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 - 15:46


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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Wed, 25 Mar 2020 - 15:12) *
OK he's preferable to Katie Hopkins

Tough call; have you forgotten that cringe-worthy 28 Jan 2018 ITV "interview" of his mate Donald Trump?

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Posted on: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 - 12:17


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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Wed, 25 Mar 2020 - 11:15) *
On the other hand, some people might consider "not going insane" to be a "necessity".

NHS advice.
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Posted on: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 - 12:11


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He obviously thinks everybody loves him. I wonder what he'll actually do when thousands of NHS car passes suddenly slip off into footwells and the yellow lines are clogged with cars 24/7. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE (Ocelot @ Wed, 25 Mar 2020 - 11:36) *
There's always the possibility that courses may still be offered and postponed until the three month period is over, I suppose.

Probably, unlikely, however.

That would then push them up close to the 6 month limit to prosecute. Sounds all too difficult to make this work to me, for something that's discretionary anyway.
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Posted on: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 - 10:44


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QUOTE (Mayhem007 @ Wed, 25 Mar 2020 - 09:41) *
The use of the word 'aimlessly ' is such a self-centered opinion.

I meant it in the sense that you had no destination or urgent need to do it. We're not in a place where "it makes me feel good" makes something a necessity.

QUOTE (Mayhem007 @ Wed, 25 Mar 2020 - 09:41) *
It is not for me to interpret government orders or recommendations.

Except here and now it is, for recommendations and guidelines anyway. Government can't possibly provide a checklist covering everything that anyone might be thinking of doing - they've spelt out the principles, it's up to individuals to use their intelligence to apply them sensibly.
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Posted on: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 - 10:37


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QUOTE (Mayhem007 @ Wed, 25 Mar 2020 - 09:50) *
I wander what % of magistrates have children or children living at home.

Regrettably few I'd imagine, given their demographics. However a disproportionate number are probably in the higher risk age brackets.
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Posted on: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 - 13:05


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QUOTE (AscotGuy @ Tue, 24 Mar 2020 - 11:58) *
My local garage is open doing MOTs.

You drop your keys on a shelf away from staff. They have also moved the card reader there.

The closest I came to a person was about 10 feet away. The mechanics all wear gloves anyway.

Same here, just picked mine up. Having the grubby card reader moved 1m away from the counter didn't reassure me enough to stop me getting out my bottle of isopropanol and wiping down all likely contact surfaces on the car before driving away, though. rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE (speedfighter23 @ Tue, 24 Mar 2020 - 12:35) *
Well if you are hungry and buy snacks surely that is essential!
Same with fuel. What do you want to do, run out?

No, those would show that you'd made a stupid decision to go for a drive in the first place, since you weren't able to do it safely.
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Posted on: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 - 10:40


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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Tue, 24 Mar 2020 - 09:20) *
Current list following last nights breifing.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/go...e_-_finalVF.pdf

Categories are shut down and then exemptions in those categories provided.

It's a slightly curious approach - just listing the business activities that are banned (with some listed exemptions), with the implication that everything else is OK if you think it's necessary. There are going to be hundreds of other business activities that most people would think are non-essential, but those involved and reliant on them for their income would think are - which is presumably the case with the window-cleaners chatting away to each other (well, bellowing at each other) in my street right now.
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Posted on: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 - 10:32


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I don't understand why people are having such difficulty working out whether any specific activity is a risky one or not.

The basic principles are to avoid being exposed to breathed-out droplets by staying at least 2m from other people not in your immediate household group, minimising the time and number of occasions when you have even that degree of near contact, and hand-washing frequently to deal with viral transfer by contact with contaminated surfaces.

So aimlessly driving around in your sealed box is fine, as long as that doesn't involve stopping to buy snacks/fuel/wander about/have a pee. Doesn't sound like much fun to me, really.
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Posted on: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 - 08:52


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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Mon, 23 Mar 2020 - 07:57) *
Like Blood group O the Independant has been shown to be compatible with the largest group in controlled testing.

That's going to get messy - The Independent's been online only since 2016. 😀
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Posted on: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 - 23:28


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QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Sun, 22 Mar 2020 - 20:29) *
QUOTE (speedfighter23 @ Sun, 22 Mar 2020 - 19:33) *

It won't everyone just overreacted, new deaths already falling in the US and China has no new cases for 3 days now. Give it a few weeks, the summer is coming as well so warm weather will kill it.

Let's just hope they have this all sorted by the time it comes back in the winter!


idiot

For a rather more detailed explanation of why speedfighter23 might be ever so slightly wrong, they could do worse than to read this.


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QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Sun, 22 Mar 2020 - 19:59) *
We’ve pulled the drawbridge up - not letting any of you Johnny Foreigners in! Shut the bars and pubs too.

A strategy that's worked so well in all the other places it's been tried. It's almost as if a virus doesn't care about immigration controls!

Probably a dog whistle in there somewhere.

Not knowingly emitted by me, although perhaps "border controls" would have been a better term? In such an interconnected world locking people (and their viruses) out is no more practicably possible than when Spanish Flu rampaged around the world - without the aid of aircraft.
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QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Sun, 22 Mar 2020 - 19:59) *
We’ve pulled the drawbridge up - not letting any of you Johnny Foreigners in! Shut the bars and pubs too.

A strategy that's worked so well in all the other places it's been tried. It's almost as if a virus doesn't care about immigration controls!
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QUOTE (Mortimer @ Sun, 22 Mar 2020 - 16:49) *
Will they not be getting their share of the governments Covid-19 cash handouts and loans?
In which case they'll be laughing because they will get paid to do nothing.

Apart from a business rates holiday, which won't help most PPCs that much because they don't own the car parks and just operate out of a small office, I'm not sure what other handouts they qualify for. Loans don't really profit them, just help to keep the business afloat.

If they exhibit the same kind, fair and understanding approach to their foot-soldiers slapping tickets on cars as they do motorists they're extracting cash from then I wouldn't imagine they'd even be taking up the government's generous offer to pay 80% of wages to keep them on - not when they can just get rid of them and re-employ more minimally-trained drones when things pick up.
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