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[NIP Wizard] Recevied 2x NIP
Strudul
post Fri, 29 Sep 2017 - 21:43
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NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? -
Date of the offence: - September 2017
Date of the NIP: - 4 days after the offence
Date you received the NIP: - 5 days after the offence
Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - A642 WAKEFIELD ROAD KIRKLEES, BET 130M NW OF QUARRY LN & 700M NE OF GRANGE LN JCT LYDGATE DR LEPTON TOWARDS HUDDERSFIELD
Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes
Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - First
If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? -
How many current points do you have? - 0
Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - I was caught speeding twice in 1 day at 37 and 38 in a 30 by the same camera. I took the same journey in the morning and the evening and didn't realise the limit as the road directly after the camera is a 40.

I'm guessing this wouldn't count as a single offence per se, but would it be worth returning both NIPs together with a covering letter explaining the situation and asking for them to consider it as one? E.g. It's no excuse, but I never had the chance to learn from my mistake.


NIP Wizard Responses
These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation:
Have you received a NIP? - Yes
Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - Yes
Did the first NIP arrive within 14 days? - Yes
Although you are the Registered Keeper, were you also the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes
Were you driving? - Yes
Which country did the alleged offence take place in? - England

NIP Wizard Recommendation
Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:
  • The law requires you to provide the information requested in the Section 172 notice within the 28 day period, naming yourself as the driver. If you are considering obtaining formal legal advice, do so before returning the notice.

    You should note that there is nothing to be gained by responding any earlier than you have to at any stage of the process. You are likely to receive a Conditional Offer of a Fixed Penalty (COFP) and further reminder(s). If you want to continue the fight, you should ignore all correspondence from the police until you receive a summons. You need to understand from the outset that while you will receive much help and support from members on the forums, you will need to put time and effort into fighting your case and ultimately be prepared to stand up in court to defend yourself.

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post Fri, 29 Sep 2017 - 21:53
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QUOTE (Strudul @ Fri, 29 Sep 2017 - 22:43) *
would it be worth returning both NIPs together with a covering letter explaining the situation and asking for them to consider it as one?


You can try.


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Strudul
post Fri, 29 Sep 2017 - 21:57
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QUOTE (peterguk @ Fri, 29 Sep 2017 - 22:53) *
QUOTE (Strudul @ Fri, 29 Sep 2017 - 22:43) *
would it be worth returning both NIPs together with a covering letter explaining the situation and asking for them to consider it as one?


You can try.

Cheers. Any recommendations of keywords / format / things to avoid saying?

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peterguk
post Fri, 29 Sep 2017 - 23:38
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QUOTE (Strudul @ Fri, 29 Sep 2017 - 22:57) *
QUOTE (peterguk @ Fri, 29 Sep 2017 - 22:53) *
QUOTE (Strudul @ Fri, 29 Sep 2017 - 22:43) *
would it be worth returning both NIPs together with a covering letter explaining the situation and asking for them to consider it as one?


You can try.

Cheers. Any recommendations of keywords / format / things to avoid saying?


Your first post covers all you need to say.


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Jlc
post Sat, 30 Sep 2017 - 08:45
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It's highly unlikely but don't ask, don't get. The point being as you note is that you didn't have the opportunity to rectify your mistake. (If you were stopped at the time then you would have been aware)

However, the signage seems fine and the system of streetlighting (restricted road) makes it hard to state you were unaware of the prevailing limit.


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RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution
PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information

Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it.
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post Sat, 30 Sep 2017 - 20:20
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If not accepted as a single offence, when you are likely to get one offer of a course, provided you have not done one for an offence within 3 years, and one fixed penalty.


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Strudul
post Thu, 12 Oct 2017 - 21:20
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Just an update.

Returned both NIPs together with a covering letter.

Today I received a single letter offering a £100 penalty and 3 points.

Presumably I'll receive another letter offering a SAC relating to the 2nd NIP in the next few days too.
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The Rookie
post Fri, 13 Oct 2017 - 04:58
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Possibly, possibly not, who can say! But probably yes as otherwise I'd just expect them to offer you the course.

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Strudul
post Fri, 13 Oct 2017 - 19:47
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Yep, SAC offer received today.
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