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Fixed penalty for running red light
Longers36
post Fri, 6 Sep 2019 - 16:00
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Hi all,

Was stopped by the police back on 08/06/2019 and the police officer said that I had driven through a red light on a roundabout. I told the two officers that I didn’t believe it was red when I drive through but they took my details and got me to sign the tablet device they had to confirm I was the driver of the car.

I received a letter dated 10/08/2019 on 13/08/2019 from Devon and Cornwall’s collisions and tickets section with a ticket notice number and offence date and code. The offence is Drive motor vehicle fail comply with red/green arrow/lane closure traffic light signals - manual detection. It has the conditional offer of a fixed penalty which is 3 points and £100.

I already have 6 points on my licence so I don’t want to take it to court and risk getting 6 points and losing my licence but don’t want to pay the fine and take the 3 points either.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
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post Fri, 6 Sep 2019 - 16:12
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It would be 3 points even if you lost at court.

QUOTE (Longers36 @ Fri, 6 Sep 2019 - 17:00) *
I told the two officers that I didn’t believe it was red when I drive through

Was it amber and you could have stopped?


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post Fri, 6 Sep 2019 - 16:13
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A red light offence will just be 3 points, but there is little point going to court in the forlorn hope that the court will believe you and not two police officers, the fine and costs will be more than £100. Unless you can produce witnesses that you went though on the green or can show that from where they were the two officers could not have seen you, your best bet is just to accept the fixed penalty.


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Longers36
post Fri, 6 Sep 2019 - 16:19
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The police officers must have been some way back from me as I didn’t see them in my mirrors and they didn’t stop me til I got a distance down the road after the traffic lights.

I did go through on amber but would have had to brake sharply with my son in the car at the time so went through.
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post Fri, 6 Sep 2019 - 16:34
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QUOTE (Longers36 @ Fri, 6 Sep 2019 - 17:19) *
The police officers must have been some way back from me as I didn’t see them in my mirrors and they didn’t stop me til I got a distance down the road after the traffic lights. I did go through on amber but would have had to brake sharply with my son in the car at the time so went through.


The red light offence occurs if any part of the vehicle goes through on the red, so even if you went past the lights on the amber, they might have gone red by the time the rear of your vehicle went through. The Highway Code states:

AMBER means ‘Stop’ at the stop line. You may go on only if the AMBER appears after you have crossed the stop line or are so close to it that to pull up might cause an accident

You have the problem that in court the officers are likely to say that in their opinion you could have stopped safely, even if they accept you went through on amber not red, which itself is unlikely.



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post Fri, 6 Sep 2019 - 17:34
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QUOTE (Longers36 @ Fri, 6 Sep 2019 - 17:19) *
I did go through on amber but would have had to brake sharply with my son in the car at the time so went through.

Presumably your son was safely secured in a child seat? In which case, what harm would have befallen him from you braking?


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