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[NIP Wizard] Will asking for a picture lose me the chance of a Speed Awareness Course?
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post Fri, 10 May 2013 - 13:31
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NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? -
Date of the offence: - March 2013
Date of the NIP: - 66 days after the offence
Date you received the NIP: - 68 days after the offence
Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - A4601 Wolverhampton Road. Cannock (086)
Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes
Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - First
If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? -
How many current points do you have? - 3
Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - I'm not 100% sure I was driving - I don't remember being over that way on this date, so I'm thinking of asking for a picture. It is alleged that I was doing 40 in a 30 limit, and the info with the NIP gives the indication that I might be offered a speed awareness course. If I ask for a confirmation picture rather than just naming myself as the driver, will I lose the option of taking the course?

NIP Wizard Responses
These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation:
Have you received a NIP? - Yes
Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - Yes
Did the first NIP arrive within 14 days? - No
Was there a valid reason for the NIP's late arrival? - Yes
Although you are the Registered Keeper, were you also the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes
Were you driving? - Unsure
Do you know who was driving? - Unsure who was driving

NIP Wizard Recommendation
Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:

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post Fri, 10 May 2013 - 13:35
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No. Remember that there is a time limit to take the SAC and also only 28 days to reply to the NIP regardless of whether they give you a picture or not.

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post Fri, 10 May 2013 - 14:25
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They will usually offer a course up to 4 months from the offence. (This is to ensure the 6 months to prosecute is not breached - 'timeout')

Your wizard answers are a bit wacky? You are the registered keeper but it arrived after 66 days?


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post Fri, 10 May 2013 - 14:46
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If it is a fixed Gatso camera then a photo will not assist in identifying the driver. It is a long time ago to remember who was driving, do others use the car?. As Jlc alluded to, an explanation of the delay would be useful.

Maybe this camera?


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post Fri, 10 May 2013 - 15:01
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QUOTE (Jlc @ Fri, 10 May 2013 - 15:25) *
Your wizard answers are a bit wacky? You are the registered keeper but it arrived after 66 days?

Yes - I'd recently moved house and been a bit slow to send my V5 in, so I assume they sent one to the old address first. My new document date is after the date of the alleged offence.

QUOTE (Transit man @ Fri, 10 May 2013 - 15:46) *
If it is a fixed Gatso camera then a photo will not assist in identifying the driver. It is a long time ago to remember who was driving, do others use the car?. As Jlc alluded to, an explanation of the delay would be useful.

Maybe this camera?

Yes - I suspect it's that camera. I am over that way occasionally, but don't remember being there on the day in question, hence the photo query. I'm more concerned about cloning, as the only two people who could feasibly have been driving my car are myself and my wife. I know it wasn't her as she hasn't borrowed my car in a long time as she has her own - and I dont remember being there. I didn't realise fixed Gatsos wouldn't assist in driver identification though?
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post Fri, 10 May 2013 - 15:06
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QUOTE (TheFlyingScotsman @ Fri, 10 May 2013 - 16:01) *
I didn't realise fixed Gatsos wouldn't assist in driver identification though?

They can inasmuch as sometimes the build of the driver can be seen, if your wife is of a different build you MAY see the difference.

Cloning, whilst is does exist, is rare & often the cloned car will be used in an area far away from the legitimate vehicle for obvious reasons. So ask for the photos if you feel it could help, but bear in mind your time limits for naming the driver, as this could get very expensive for you.


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post Fri, 10 May 2013 - 15:12
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Asking for a picture should at least assure that it is your car, and not a misread of the number. TBH if you go there sometimes it is very likely that it is indeed your car.


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post Fri, 10 May 2013 - 15:35
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QUOTE (Logician @ Fri, 10 May 2013 - 16:12) *
TBH if you go there sometimes it is very likely that it is indeed your car.

Well, my initial reaction on opening the envelope of "WTF - there's no way I was there at that time on a Saturday morning!" has now been replaced with "actually, maybe it was me....."
So, now I'm pretty much resigned to admitting I was the driver and accepting the consequencies. The problem with these cameras is you can't "accidentally" show the copper your Army ID card as you're getting your licence out, and hope he'll let you off with a warning.....

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post Fri, 10 May 2013 - 15:55
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QUOTE (TheFlyingScotsman @ Fri, 10 May 2013 - 16:35) *
The problem with these cameras is you can't "accidentally" show the copper your Army ID card as you're getting your licence out, and hope he'll let you off with a warning.....


True but neither can you run the risk of AGAI action if he decides to report you. There are some funny people out there...


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post Fri, 10 May 2013 - 16:40
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QUOTE (TheFlyingScotsman @ Fri, 10 May 2013 - 16:35) *
The problem with these cameras is you can't "accidentally" show the copper your Army ID card as you're getting your licence out, and hope he'll let you off with a warning.....

I know what you mean, the same when I get out my Boy Scout card (expired 1965)


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2 Council tickets received, 0 paid (both canceled)
2 Nip's in 40 years 1 paid (damn!)
1 SAC, duly educated!

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post Fri, 10 May 2013 - 16:54
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QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Fri, 10 May 2013 - 16:55) *
True but neither can you run the risk of AGAI action if he decides to report you. There are some funny people out there...

Lol - very true!
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post Fri, 10 May 2013 - 18:28
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