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focusrs
post Sat, 22 Jun 2019 - 19:28
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Someone I know is required to write a letter in response to the person who is reviewing their application for a provisional license. Previously he was convicted of Exceeding statutory speed limit on a public road stupidly a few years ago and last year he received a FPN for undefined contravention of Pedestrian Crossing Regulations while working and delivering something to somewhere, at the time he did not think it was as bad as double parking, but he later found out that it comes with a 3 point penalty and realised he should revise the rules of the road more.
His driving license was revoked because it fell under the New Drivers Act and he is asked to explain the details of these offences since then he has obtained his driving license and passed his medical examination.
He wants to write about the steps he has taken to prevent further offences being committed but he is not sure if it's a good idea, he is not sure what the right thing is to write in this situation.

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post Sun, 23 Jun 2019 - 06:37
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Erm, the truth?

What steps has he actually taken?

How long ago were the two offences. I presumed the crossing fixed penalty was for parking in the zig-zags?


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post Sun, 23 Jun 2019 - 07:27
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Seems like a silly letter to request, I suppose so the interviewer has something positive (or negative) to file as "evidence" for their decision.
It seems to be asking to get a reply based on "I learnt my lesson, drive like a granny now, keep a copy of the highway code with me and read it every evening..."
What isn't required is a description of the laser jammer now fitted to evade speed traps, that you double check for police or Enforcement Officers before parking unlawfully or that your car has a straight through exhaust system and remapped to the eyeballs.
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post Sun, 23 Jun 2019 - 09:18
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Who is the letter from? DVLA or from the Traffic Commissioners office?
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post Sun, 23 Jun 2019 - 10:00
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QUOTE (Foxy01 @ Sun, 23 Jun 2019 - 10:18) *
Who is the letter from? DVLA or from the Traffic Commissioners office?

And why does it require "me" to write a letter (as in the thread title), when "Someone I know is required to write a letter"? Are there two letters?
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It appears that the op has retaken his car test and received his licence. Presumably, he is now applying for a vocational licence (C/D), has passed the medical D4 and is being asked by the Traffic Commissioners to provide evidence that steps have been taken to ensure that, in future, his driving will be compliant with law.
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post Sun, 23 Jun 2019 - 13:45
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Sun, 23 Jun 2019 - 07:37) *
Erm, the truth?

What steps has he actually taken?

How long ago were the two offences. I presumed the crossing fixed penalty was for parking in the zig-zags?

The speeding offence took place 2 years ago and the parking was given a year later resulting in a loss of license, it was fixed penalty for parking.


QUOTE (DancingDad @ Sun, 23 Jun 2019 - 08:27) *
Seems like a silly letter to request, I suppose so the interviewer has something positive (or negative) to file as "evidence" for their decision.
It seems to be asking to get a reply based on "I learnt my lesson, drive like a granny now, keep a copy of the highway code with me and read it every evening..."
What isn't required is a description of the laser jammer now fitted to evade speed traps, that you double check for police or Enforcement Officers before parking unlawfully or that your car has a straight through exhaust system and remapped to the eyeballs.

I thought he should write something along those lines, I am just looking for some confirmation that something like that seems like the right thing to write.

QUOTE (Foxy01 @ Sun, 23 Jun 2019 - 10:18) *
Who is the letter from? DVLA or from the Traffic Commissioners office?

He got the letter from the "Office of Traffic Commisioner".

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QUOTE (Foxy01 @ Sun, 23 Jun 2019 - 10:18) *
Who is the letter from? DVLA or from the Traffic Commissioners office?

And why does it require "me" to write a letter (as in the thread title), when "Someone I know is required to write a letter"? Are there two letters?

It was a mistake with the creation of the thread.

QUOTE (baroudeur @ Sun, 23 Jun 2019 - 11:55) *
It appears that the op has retaken his car test and received his licence. Presumably, he is now applying for a vocational licence (C/D), has passed the medical D4 and is being asked by the Traffic Commissioners to provide evidence that steps have been taken to ensure that, in future, his driving will be compliant with law.

It's exactly that, the D4 medical has been passed with no problems, he is applying for the vocational license to drive Catagory C vehicles. The letter was from the Traffic Commissioner.
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post Mon, 24 Jun 2019 - 10:46
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QUOTE (focusrs @ Sun, 23 Jun 2019 - 14:45) *
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QUOTE (DancingDad @ Sun, 23 Jun 2019 - 08:27) *
Seems like a silly letter to request, I suppose so the interviewer has something positive (or negative) to file as "evidence" for their decision.
It seems to be asking to get a reply based on "I learnt my lesson, drive like a granny now, keep a copy of the highway code with me and read it every evening..."
What isn't required is a description of the laser jammer now fitted to evade speed traps, that you double check for police or Enforcement Officers before parking unlawfully or that your car has a straight through exhaust system and remapped to the eyeballs.

I thought he should write something along those lines, I am just looking for some confirmation that something like that seems like the right thing to write.
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Don't know about specifics for this but if it were me, I would be first and foremost stating that the offences and losing licence within the new driver's period was a major wake up call.
And that it has changed your whole attitude towards driving, that you no longer believe that you are above the law or willing to risk your safety or others.
Details if relevant and true like having a black box insurance that enables you to keep track and modify behavior, that you have revised the Highway Code etc probably would help.
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post Mon, 24 Jun 2019 - 11:07
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QUOTE (focusrs @ Sun, 23 Jun 2019 - 13:45) *
QUOTE (baroudeur @ Sun, 23 Jun 2019 - 11:55) *
It appears that the op has retaken his car test and received his licence. Presumably, he is now applying for a vocational licence (C/D), has passed the medical D4 and is being asked by the Traffic Commissioners to provide evidence that steps have been taken to ensure that, in future, his driving will be compliant with law.

It's exactly that, the D4 medical has been passed with no problems, he is applying for the vocational license to drive Catagory C vehicles. The letter was from the Traffic Commissioner.


If the speeding wasn't too much over the limit then something along the lines of...............

I understand the concern that a driver intending to make a career in transport should have respect for the law. The two offences on my record resulted in me losing my licence under the New Driver legislation and has made me be aware of needing to drive within the law. I have successfully retaken the driving test and would like to pursue a career in transport so would appreciate your approval of my application for a vocational licence.
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post Mon, 24 Jun 2019 - 16:31
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As one who meets with Traffic Commissioners a couple of times a year (on a professional basis rather than disciplinary) I can understand the TC's line of thinking.

He/she will want to know that any new entrant into the industry isn't going to drive alike a count, park wherever he likes and ignore road traffic law. the fact the OP has had to take a test again is good, but the fact he lost the licence in the first place isn't. He will also have to undergo a 3rd test to drive whatever size lorry he wants to drive. If he passes that and gets to drive a lorry, that will no doubt be on tacho so his driving behaviour will be constantly monitored.

One of the scenarios acted out by the TC and a retired coach operator playing the part of the errant driver at a recent meeting was both entertaining and serious. There is a chance the TC will want a meeting with the OP which could be an informal interview or a Public Inquiry, a far more formal affair.

That a relatively new driver should be done for speeding within 2 years then done for parking on zigzags won't go down very well and the application for the provisional licence may be refused.
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post Mon, 24 Jun 2019 - 16:59
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QUOTE (roythebus @ Mon, 24 Jun 2019 - 17:31) *
As one who meets with Traffic Commissioners a couple of times a year (on a professional basis rather than disciplinary) I can understand the TC's line of thinking.

He/she will want to know that any new entrant into the industry isn't going to drive alike a count, park wherever he likes and ignore road traffic law. the fact the OP has had to take a test again is good, but the fact he lost the licence in the first place isn't. He will also have to undergo a 3rd test to drive whatever size lorry he wants to drive. If he passes that and gets to drive a lorry, that will no doubt be on tacho so his driving behaviour will be constantly monitored.

One of the scenarios acted out by the TC and a retired coach operator playing the part of the errant driver at a recent meeting was both entertaining and serious. There is a chance the TC will want a meeting with the OP which could be an informal interview or a Public Inquiry, a far more formal affair.

That a relatively new driver should be done for speeding within 2 years then done for parking on zigzags won't go down very well and the application for the provisional licence may be refused.

Do you know if the TC would take into consideration the fact that my friend took a break from driving before passing his theory and practical test again and also took driving lessons before attempting the test and do you think the TC will take into account that people can learn from previous mistakes?
I guess all he can do is apply, but I know he is in no rush to make the same mistakes as he has made before again in the future.
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post Mon, 24 Jun 2019 - 18:14
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Yes, mention any positive steps that your freind has taken. Letters from the TC office are not uncommon.

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post Fri, 28 Jun 2019 - 16:10
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Yes, does "your friend" have evidence of whatever steps he has taken to improve his driving awareness? the TC can be very strict, but also accommodating for those who have erred and can show they intend to make good.
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post Thu, 4 Jul 2019 - 19:47
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QUOTE (roythebus @ Fri, 28 Jun 2019 - 17:10) *
Yes, does "your friend" have evidence of whatever steps he has taken to improve his driving awareness? the TC can be very strict, but also accommodating for those who have erred and can show they intend to make good.

Yes my friend has taken about 10-15 driving lessons before resetting his test, studied the highway code for his theory test and passed it first time with 47/50 and the driving test with only 2 minors.
he can ask for confirmation about the lessons from the instructor and can also show the time spent and progress with the app that was used to revise the theory test.
He thought about booking a pass plus course and adding the date he will do it.
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post Fri, 5 Jul 2019 - 04:54
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I would suggest a Pass plus would be a very good idea, if he can provide a booked date in the letter that would be good.


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