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DancingDad
post Tue, 10 Jul 2018 - 10:27
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My daughter failed her driving test.
No complaints, one item at least was common fail issue, not using mirrors, daughter says she was but examiner didn't see her move her head.
Her own fault, she's been told by me, mum and her instructor, I even told her to offset mirrors a little so she has to move head.

But second item confuses me a little.
Info is second hand from daughter so may have lost something.
Daughter stalled when pulling away onto an island.
No panic, car did not roll, she applied handbrake, into neutral, restarted, pulled away when clear.
Failed on not using the footbrake.

Thinking on it, I instinctively hit the brake if I stall.
And can certainly remember being taught that when stopped or if stalled, neutral and handbrake on.
But can never remember being taught that footbrake must be used.
Obviously if car rolls (or could) it should be first thing hit but to fail a test on it ??

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DancingDad
post Wed, 11 Jul 2018 - 10:40
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QUOTE (Redivi @ Wed, 11 Jul 2018 - 11:18) *
Why? I know people who have passed their test after very few lessons and people who have had a huge number of lessons.
The latter are invariably much worse drivers, who have had many more accidents now.


Very true from the driving history of my daughters

There's something to be said for a restriction on the number of driving tests that can be taken before it's deemed that some people will never reach an adequate standard

Tends to be my thought on it, if you can't pass in half a dozen or so tests, should you ever be driving?
There is a vast difference in tests across country as well. My daughter in law had many lessons here in Birmingham but was not comfortable in traffic.
Went home (Skelmersdale) for a week having booked her test for there, had two lessons during the week and passed first time.
Plenty of driving during the test but no traffic as such to deal with.
Then deemed competent to deal with traffic in Birmingham.... gawd knows how she would cope with London ?

Can have the other extreme.
My sister took her test at 18, passed.
Never driven since but still has her pretty pink licence that says she is competent and legal to drive.
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post Wed, 11 Jul 2018 - 11:01
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QUOTE (DancingDad @ Wed, 11 Jul 2018 - 11:40) *
QUOTE (Redivi @ Wed, 11 Jul 2018 - 11:18) *
Why? I know people who have passed their test after very few lessons and people who have had a huge number of lessons.
The latter are invariably much worse drivers, who have had many more accidents now.


Very true from the driving history of my daughters

There's something to be said for a restriction on the number of driving tests that can be taken before it's deemed that some people will never reach an adequate standard

Tends to be my thought on it, if you can't pass in half a dozen or so tests, should you ever be driving?
There is a vast difference in tests across country as well. My daughter in law had many lessons here in Birmingham but was not comfortable in traffic.
Went home (Skelmersdale) for a week having booked her test for there, had two lessons during the week and passed first time.
Plenty of driving during the test but no traffic as such to deal with.
Then deemed competent to deal with traffic in Birmingham.... gawd knows how she would cope with London ?

Can have the other extreme.
My sister took her test at 18, passed.
Never driven since but still has her pretty pink licence that says she is competent and legal to drive.


Easily solved. All future tests to be taken in London. Start and finish in Whitehall.

All cars to be fitted with tachographs, to enable drivers to prove x hours driving per year.
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post Wed, 11 Jul 2018 - 11:31
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QUOTE (DancingDad @ Wed, 11 Jul 2018 - 11:40) *
QUOTE (Redivi @ Wed, 11 Jul 2018 - 11:18) *
Why? I know people who have passed their test after very few lessons and people who have had a huge number of lessons.
The latter are invariably much worse drivers, who have had many more accidents now.


Very true from the driving history of my daughters

There's something to be said for a restriction on the number of driving tests that can be taken before it's deemed that some people will never reach an adequate standard

Tends to be my thought on it, if you can't pass in half a dozen or so tests, should you ever be driving?
There is a vast difference in tests across country as well. My daughter in law had many lessons here in Birmingham but was not comfortable in traffic.
Went home (Skelmersdale) for a week having booked her test for there, had two lessons during the week and passed first time.
Plenty of driving during the test but no traffic as such to deal with.
Then deemed competent to deal with traffic in Birmingham.... gawd knows how she would cope with London ?

Can have the other extreme.
My sister took her test at 18, passed.
Never driven since but still has her pretty pink licence that says she is competent and legal to drive.

I passed my motorcycle test age 16 but haven't ridden one for over 35 years but I could still go down the Harley dealers & ride off on a Male Menopause Monster.


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Fredd
post Wed, 11 Jul 2018 - 11:43
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QUOTE (nigelbb @ Wed, 11 Jul 2018 - 12:31) *
I passed my motorcycle test age 16 but haven't ridden one for over 35 years but I could still go down the Harley dealers & ride off on a Male Menopause Monster.

Still, probably wouldn't need more than day insurance, and you wouldn't have to worry about how much fuel the dealer had put in the tank. smile.gif


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post Wed, 11 Jul 2018 - 12:47
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Or just considerably increase the cost so that there is less temptation to see it as something you can stab away at until you get lucky.

The current cost is £62 - well, seeing as that's less than three hours of lessons then there's a strong financial incentive to try as soon as possible rather than when you are likely to actually pass.
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