Railway Car Park, PCN Issued |
Railway Car Park, PCN Issued |
Fri, 18 Dec 2020 - 15:27
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Member Group: Members Posts: 64 Joined: 31 Aug 2009 From: Essex Member No.: 31,634 |
Hello all,
I'm looking for some assistance please. The Driver received this PCN today. Story is they frequently use this car park to commute into London and when parking at this station there is usually a man in a hut whom takes payment but on this day the hut was closed and locked up. (suspected due to Covid) Car park entrance can be seen here. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.8072979,0...3312!8i6656 If the attendant isn't available then you can pay at one of several meters dotted around the car park. However on this day most of the car park had Arris type fencing in it effectively closing off about 2/3rds of the car park. When the driver went to pay at the meter is wasn't working and couldn't get to any other meters due to the fencing. Here's a link google maps link of the whole carpark. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.8073753,0...#33;3m1!1e3 As you can see from the PCN the car park wasn't exactly busy. In fact the driver thinks It was only 1 of 4 cars parked there. Any help appreciated. This post has been edited by skydivermel: Fri, 18 Dec 2020 - 18:56 -------------------- Gravity is a myth. The Earth sucks.
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Sun, 17 Jan 2021 - 12:28
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Member Group: Members Posts: 41,510 Joined: 25 Aug 2011 From: Planet Earth Member No.: 49,223 |
A. Full name of registered keeper is: Mr John Doe B. Serviceable address of registered keeper is: 1 Acacia Drive, Littletown, AB1 4DD Grounds for appeal are as set out below: - 1. As stated in my previous reply to you In any case, you have failed to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 to hold me, the registered keeper, liable as per the following paragraphs: 2. 9 (2) (a) in that the relevant land has not been identified. The information you have given means nothing to me and I do not know the location of the alleged breach. 3. 9 (2) (f) statement of keeper liability not in the prescribed format. 4. 9 (4) Failure to deliver within 14 days of the event. -------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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Sun, 17 Jan 2021 - 12:52
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Member Group: Members Posts: 64 Joined: 31 Aug 2009 From: Essex Member No.: 31,634 |
@JIC
Do I leave the final 2 paragraphs in as post #40? This post has been edited by skydivermel: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 - 12:53 -------------------- Gravity is a myth. The Earth sucks.
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Sun, 17 Jan 2021 - 13:46
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Member Group: Members Posts: 41,510 Joined: 25 Aug 2011 From: Planet Earth Member No.: 49,223 |
Yes, I just listed changes.
-------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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Sun, 17 Jan 2021 - 15:00
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Member Group: Members Posts: 64 Joined: 31 Aug 2009 From: Essex Member No.: 31,634 |
@JIC
Topman. Thank you very much for your help. -------------------- Gravity is a myth. The Earth sucks.
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Wed, 27 Jan 2021 - 13:34
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Member Group: Members Posts: 64 Joined: 31 Aug 2009 From: Essex Member No.: 31,634 |
The Saga continues.
Received this today. Further help need please. Link to letter here. Apologies if I've not uploaded photos right. I couldn't find anything in the notes as to the best way to do it. https://photos.app.goo.gl/y43GTtHXy6V9t3Y37 https://photos.app.goo.gl/5jomS5WSG5HwAbNJ8 -------------------- Gravity is a myth. The Earth sucks.
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Wed, 27 Jan 2021 - 14:35
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,314 Joined: 3 Sep 2008 From: Not in the UK Member No.: 22,300 |
Their photo clearly shows the car in a car park, with the tops of the houses in Albert Road Witham in the background.
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Wed, 27 Jan 2021 - 15:58
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Member Group: Members Posts: 17,088 Joined: 8 Mar 2013 Member No.: 60,457 |
Respond to them telling that they have misquoted the requirements of POFA. The Notice to Keeper has to be DELIVERED, not issued, within 14 days, POFA 9 (4), issued is insufficient. The parking event was the 30th November, the Notice was issued on the 11th December, a Friday. It is assumed delivered 2 WORKING days later, POFA 9 (6), Tuesday 15th. Therefore outside of the 14 day requirement and you, the keeper, cannot be held liable.
Please go forth and multiply. This post has been edited by ostell: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 - 15:59 |
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Wed, 27 Jan 2021 - 17:09
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Member Group: Members Posts: 64 Joined: 31 Aug 2009 From: Essex Member No.: 31,634 |
Their photo clearly shows the car in a car park, with the tops of the houses in Albert Road Witham in the background. The ticket issued stated a car park somewhere in Liverpool. FFS How's this look? Dear Sirs, Thank you for your letter dated 25th January. I am afraid you have misquoted the requirements of POFA. The Notice to Keeper must be DELIVERED, not issued, within 14 days, POFA 9 (4), issued is insufficient. The parking event was the 30th of November, the Notice was issued on the 11th of December, a Friday. It is assumed delivered 2 WORKING days later, POFA 9 (6), Tuesday 15th. Therefore, outside of the 14-day requirement and I, the keeper, cannot be held liable. This shall be the final time I reply to you. Any further communication from you to me on this matter, apart from confirmation of no further action and my details being removed from your records, will be considered vexatious and harassment. This includes communication from any Debt Collection companies you care to instruct. Yours sincerely -------------------- Gravity is a myth. The Earth sucks.
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Wed, 27 Jan 2021 - 17:17
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Member Group: Members Posts: 17,088 Joined: 8 Mar 2013 Member No.: 60,457 |
Yep, that should do. Have they rejected any of the other fails that were pointed out?
You could put "misquoted or misunderstood" just to be cheeky |
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Wed, 27 Jan 2021 - 17:30
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,314 Joined: 3 Sep 2008 From: Not in the UK Member No.: 22,300 |
Their photo clearly shows the car in a car park, with the tops of the houses in Albert Road Witham in the background. The ticket issued stated a car park somewhere in Liverpool.Exactly, nothing like Gadbrook Park in Rudheath. |
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Wed, 27 Jan 2021 - 18:07
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Member Group: Members Posts: 64 Joined: 31 Aug 2009 From: Essex Member No.: 31,634 |
Yep, that should do. Have they rejected any of the other fails that were pointed out? You could put "misquoted or misunderstood" just to be cheeky I like misunderstood. Letter will be in the post to them tomorrow. Thanks for your help it's appreciated. Their photo clearly shows the car in a car park, with the tops of the houses in Albert Road Witham in the background. The ticket issued stated a car park somewhere in Liverpool.Exactly, nothing like Gadbrook Park in Rudheath. In their second letter to me they gave a full postal address and postcode. Somewhere just south of Liverpool. -------------------- Gravity is a myth. The Earth sucks.
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Wed, 27 Jan 2021 - 18:21
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Member Group: Members Posts: 41,510 Joined: 25 Aug 2011 From: Planet Earth Member No.: 49,223 |
You did tell them the car has never been to the claimed location?
The chat around PoFA is not the main show. -------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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Wed, 27 Jan 2021 - 18:30
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Member Group: Members Posts: 3,124 Joined: 8 Feb 2013 Member No.: 59,842 |
Respond to them telling that they have misquoted the requirements of POFA. The Notice to Keeper has to be DELIVERED, not issued, within 14 days, POFA 9 (4), issued is insufficient. The parking event was the 30th November, the Notice was issued on the 11th December, a Friday. It is assumed delivered 2 WORKING days later, POFA 9 (6), Tuesday 15th. Therefore outside of the 14 day requirement and you, the keeper, cannot be held liable. Please go forth and multiply. Alongside 'DELIVERED' you could also bracket 'GIVEN', which is the term also used in para 9 (4) of PoFA Schedule 4. (4)The notice must be given by (b)sending it by post to a current address for service for the keeper so that it is delivered to that address within the relevant period. |
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Mon, 24 May 2021 - 17:29
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Member Group: Members Posts: 64 Joined: 31 Aug 2009 From: Essex Member No.: 31,634 |
So the saga continues.
This arrived in the post today. Would appreciate some help with this. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/1456/lpeUkZ.jpg https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/3457/hd9OgR.jpg https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/3323/HDVlOx.jpg -------------------- Gravity is a myth. The Earth sucks.
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Mon, 24 May 2021 - 17:58
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,198 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
I’d write back now complaining of the DPA breach, as the car is clearly shown not to be parked in the car park alleged (and point out the background in the photos) then they have no reasonable cause to process your data, insist they cease now or you will then complain to the ICO. Make it a formal complaint just about the DPA breach.
-------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
S172's Rookies 1-0 Kent Council PCN's Rookies 1-0 Warwick Rookies 1-0 Birmingham PPC PCN's Rookies 10-0 PPC's |
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Mon, 24 May 2021 - 18:00
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Member Group: Members Posts: 28,687 Joined: 27 Nov 2007 Member No.: 15,642 |
Yawn. Debt collector trash. You know what to do, the advice is unambiguous.
What response did they give to your letter above? |
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Mon, 24 May 2021 - 19:19
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Member Group: Members Posts: 3,124 Joined: 8 Feb 2013 Member No.: 59,842 |
Seen the same drivel (and photograph) of the smiling, fragrant 'Abigale' (who knows if that's her name, or even her photo) There are nutters about who might well pick up a PCN (ANPR can't differentiate between a mild-mannered pensioner and a psychopath) and I don't think any sane debt collector staff member would want to be showing her face and her name in letters of threat.
Ignore 'Abi' and all of her ticks! ✔️ |
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Mon, 24 May 2021 - 19:27
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Member Group: Members Posts: 64 Joined: 31 Aug 2009 From: Essex Member No.: 31,634 |
Yawn. Debt collector trash. You know what to do, the advice is unambiguous. What response did they give to your letter above? They didnt, never heard anything back from them until today. -------------------- Gravity is a myth. The Earth sucks.
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