PCN London Using a Route Restricted to certain, PCN 33B: Using a Route restricted to certain vehicles buses only Options

[ohnoohno]

Please Help !

have received a PCN for above.

Have read past PCNs, it seems since the latest PCN http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=115223, the Council have amended the signage.

Part of the challenge would have been on the basis of the Signage not complying with the LLATA 2003 (Sch 3) & the conditions the No Entry 616 sign ie should be paired with a blue Buses 953 diagram sign.

And the fact that its a Highly Confusing junction, if your New to this route (I was) and it was Dark (it was).

However, photos taken, as Im not in the area, show the Council have removed the No entry sign and instead just placed one blue sign (quite high up) 953 I assume, with an image of a bus.

I stil maintain, its highly confusing, badly lit, i.e when I arrived at this strange juncture, I thought, the side what looked like a country lane was for horses !/bikes/pedestrians even !!



it was hidden and wasn't well lit, looked extremely NARROW... I thought, they couldn't possibly expect a vehicle to squeeze through...no lighting... on either side....I did pause for a quite a bit...and then
took the wide bus lane...The bus sign would've been tall and above me by now...

no Forewarning of a bus lane, just a forewarning of a width restriction....

hmmmm, really not happy, still see this as a highly confusing, badly signed, badly lit juncture... but I guess they're not gna buy this, LAs are in need of funds !!

At night it looks completely different, UNCLEAR, especially if your unfamiliar with this area.

can anyone offer some assistance here...



This post has been edited by ohnoohno: Tue, 22 May 2018 - 16:08

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[PASTMYBEST]

got some comments to make later in rebuttal of parts of that summary. Tell me , did you send your representations exactly as you posted or are they slightly different. Same with the appeal, was it exactly as I drafted. If not I need to see what you sent.

more harm than good will come or me saying things that your reps and appeal do not confirm

[ohnoohno]

Yes representations were sent as exactly said.

Appeal as you drafted !

[ohnoohno]

why they think I'm a Taxi driver and wanting to be excused on that ground I don't get !

[PASTMYBEST]

why they think I'm a Taxi driver and wanting to be excused on that ground I don't get !

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This post has been edited by PASTMYBEST: Thu, 9 Aug 2018 - 15:53

[ohnoohno]

Case Summary ...



This post has been edited by ohnoohno: Sat, 11 Aug 2018 - 20:07

[ohnoohno]

Is there any point in adding..

"I would like to add, the CD evidence the council has provided showing my vehicle in motion, does not show, that in fact when I came to this extremely confusing junction, I PAUSED for some minutes in front of the “bus gate” as I couldn’t see
because of the Absence of Lighting on either side of the width restriction bollards, where I was realistically expected to go through.

The EXTREMELY NARROW lane where cars are expected to pass through, veers to the LEFT of the road.

On approach, and please take into account, this is unknown territory to myself, there is no signage indicating “ALL OTHER VEHICLES KEEP LEFT” or no signage indicating that cars need to keep left.
I paused for some moments, wondering how I was I was expected to squeeze through what looked like a very very narrowed “country lane” ; in the dark, with the wooded area behind, with the lack of lighting it looked like a car couldn’t possibly squeeze through.

With a vehicle honking behind me, I was made to pass through the “Bus Gate” and had no idea there was a “Bus Lane Camera” as there was no Specific Bus Lane Camera sign.

like this..

[PASTMYBEST]

Is there any point in adding..

"I would like to add, the CD evidence the council has provided showing my vehicle in motion, does not show, that in fact when I came to this extremely confusing junction, I PAUSED for some minutes in front of the “bus gate” as I couldn’t see
because of the Absence of Lighting on either side of the width restriction bollards, where I was realistically expected to go through.

The EXTREMELY NARROW lane where cars are expected to pass through, veers to the LEFT of the road.

On approach, and please take into account, this is unknown territory to myself, there is no signage indicating “ALL OTHER VEHICLES KEEP LEFT” or no signage indicating that cars need to keep left.
I paused for some moments, wondering how I was I was expected to squeeze through what looked like a very very narrowed “country lane” ; in the dark, with the wooded area behind, with the lack of lighting it looked like a car couldn’t possibly squeeze through.

With a vehicle honking behind me, I was made to pass through the “Bus Gate” and had no idea there was a “Bus Lane Camera” as there was no Specific Bus Lane Camera sign.

like this..

We've not seen the video so can't comment on that, the photos seem to portray clearly lit signs so I would think hard about your perceived credibility before you add anything. The perception of the narrow carriageway has been covered in point one. Buut its your appeal not mine

[ohnoohno]

Anyway too late now, and just as well...

Thank you PSB and Mick, for all your hard work - I really Appreciate it ! : I just have to be prepared to bite the bullet should the worst happen ...

I still maintain, this is a badly signed, designed and poorly lit junction to drivers who are new to the area !

[ohnoohno]

bump :

I'm so disheartened and quite upset. My appeal was rejected by the Adj. Is there any grounds I can re-appeal.

Really quite taken aback and not happy.

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