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Road marking says turn right at no right turn (double PCN)
AndrewAfresh
post Fri, 24 Jun 2022 - 01:06
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I've received two PCNs for a prohibited right turn at traffic lights (https://photos.google.com/album/AF1QipMJAXzygnUNC2day66OOWat9Xo2AjSmUQ1JJClf); they both have same date/time.
What do I do about the duplicate?
I've seen many crossroads (with traffic lights) where the lefthand lane has a left arrow and the words "except buses", in other words it tells a car driver in that position they must go left.
Whereas here the righthand lane has a right arrow and no words, implying anyone in that position must go right, contradicting the sign below the lights which says turning right is not allowed for cars.
Therefore it seems to me that the conventions of the two road markings are inconsistent.
Please advise whether there are any grounds to contest?
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post Tue, 13 Sep 2022 - 11:40
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QUOTE (AndrewAfresh @ Tue, 13 Sep 2022 - 02:24) *
PCN ending 19 contravention on 11/6/22 01:26 code 50R I made a rep via website on this & I received a rejection letter dated 01/09/22 via email;
PCN ending 54 contravention on 11/6/22 01:26 code 50R shows as cancelled on tfl website, I didn't make a rep on it.
Video received on DVD from tfl is of type 'MKV' which pepipoo doesn't allow to be uploaded.



Ok send this to the tribunal to register your appeal come back to us when that is done and you have a date for hearing

I appeal against the imposition of PCN xxxxxxxx19 under the following grounds

1/ The contravention alleged did not occur

This comes about as the signage in situ is confusing to the extent that if ails in complying with the requirements os s18 of the Local authorities traffic orders (procedures) act 1998

2/ That the penalty exceeds the relevant amount in the circumstances of the case

TfL did issue two PSN's for this alleged contravention XXXXXXX19 the subject of this appeal and also xxxxxxx54 both the same location on the same date at the same time. This demands a penalty of £320 for a single contravention which is restricted by law to £160.

3/ by way of collateral challenge. That TfL did fail to consider representations

TfL did not consider my representations, rather replying with a boiler plate cut & paste response that did not respond to my representation

I intend to expand on each point upon sight of TfL's reply to this representation


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post Tue, 13 Sep 2022 - 21:47
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QUOTE (AndrewAfresh @ Tue, 13 Sep 2022 - 02:24) *
Video received on DVD from tfl is of type 'MKV' which pepipoo doesn't allow to be uploaded.

Upload it to youtube or vimeo and then post a link on here. If neither option works, drop me a PM and I'll sort something else out for you.

QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Tue, 13 Sep 2022 - 12:40) *
Ok send this to the tribunal to register your appeal come back to us when that is done and you have a date for hearing

I appeal against the imposition of PCN xxxxxxxx19 under the following grounds

1/ The contravention alleged did not occur

This comes about as the signage in situ is confusing to the extent that if ails in complying with the requirements os s18 of the Local authorities traffic orders (procedures) act 1998

2/ That the penalty exceeds the relevant amount in the circumstances of the case

TfL did issue two PSN's for this alleged contravention XXXXXXX19 the subject of this appeal and also xxxxxxx54 both the same location on the same date at the same time. This demands a penalty of £320 for a single contravention which is restricted by law to £160.

3/ by way of collateral challenge. That TfL did fail to consider representations

TfL did not consider my representations, rather replying with a boiler plate cut & paste response that did not respond to my representation

I intend to expand on each point upon sight of TfL's reply to this representation


sign and date

Just to add, don't post the appeal form to the tribunal. Instead fill it in, scan it and email it to queries@londontribunals.org.uk (you will get an immediate auto-acknowledgment). Tick the box to say you want all communication to be by email, this avoids the risk of any postal issues.


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AndrewAfresh
post Wed, 14 Sep 2022 - 10:39
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Thank you. video is here: https://vimeo.com/749521379
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post Wed, 14 Sep 2022 - 12:50
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There is something very weird going on with the video timing, it seems to be playing at at least 3 or 4 times the actual speed?


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post Wed, 14 Sep 2022 - 17:19
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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Wed, 14 Sep 2022 - 13:50) *
There is something very weird going on with the video timing, it seems to be playing at at least 3 or 4 times the actual speed?


It does doesn't it but what i wanted to see was that there was no stop at the TL that would allow a closer look at the signage


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post Fri, 23 Sep 2022 - 20:11
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QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Tue, 13 Sep 2022 - 12:40) *
I intend to expand on each point upon sight of TfL's reply to this representation

Please find attached a picture of TFL's reply to the representation letter.
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AndrewAfresh
post Fri, 23 Sep 2022 - 20:26
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Is postal hearing or personal hearing best?
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post Fri, 23 Sep 2022 - 20:46
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Is postal hearing or personal hearing best?


Personal - these days it can be in person or by telephone.

You are also able to have a representative who may act for you or may assist you.

Personal enables you to answer questions or put any points you think haqve been overlooked'

It has to be very very clear cut before we would recommend a postal hearing on papers.
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post Mon, 26 Sep 2022 - 18:05
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QUOTE (AndrewAfresh @ Fri, 23 Sep 2022 - 21:26) *
Is postal hearing or personal hearing best?

Let's make this a bit easier: would you like me to represent you at the tribunal?


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post Tue, 27 Sep 2022 - 22:28
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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Mon, 26 Sep 2022 - 19:05) *
QUOTE (AndrewAfresh @ Fri, 23 Sep 2022 - 21:26) *
Is postal hearing or personal hearing best?

Let's make this a bit easier: would you like me to represent you at the tribunal?

Yes please, I would find that very helpful - if the time and place I'm offered are convenient to you. Thank you very much for offering
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post Thu, 13 Oct 2022 - 00:22
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TFL has just DNC'ed the case, so that's the end of that.


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