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Tricky Situation, Assume I encroached a Red Light Line for a long period.
Ziggyplayedguita...
post Sat, 16 Jan 2021 - 19:34
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I wonder if you have an opinion.


I have checked and there are no get out clauses on the NIP ...I m also sure I am the driver of the Mercedes Sprinter on the NIP.

I have a driving job and am getting in an exposed position regarding points.I drive a van ten hours every week day ...have worked through the pandemic as a keyworker delivering milk for schools(STARTING AT 2.00 AM).My last potential offence is a traffic light offence....my area offer a Driver Behaviour Course as an option to points and fine...which would really really suit me.I have written to them asking for consideration for the course and received the following curt reply.........


On Thursday, 14 January 2021, 11:50:42 GMT, Safety_Camera_Partnership <safety_camera_partnership@southyorks.pnn.police.uk> wrote:
Good afternoon,
Unfortunately, you will be ineligible for the course as the red light was on for 26 seconds.

Regards

I have requested the evidence and should be receiving that shortly.I have had speeding fines before but never a traffic light violation.As its such a huge amount of seconds I can only assume I have been sat waiting mainly in a bike lane in front of the lights.I have already jacked my job in anticipation of points but wondered if you would care to make a prediction as to what my future might be.Is it worth engaging anyone to plead my case that I was not doing anything dangerous??I will attatch the evidence when I get it..and we can review it then...but can you tell me anything to help me sleep at night.If I am right about the offence the whole thing seems grossly unfair


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post Wed, 20 Jan 2021 - 16:37
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Don't red light cameras take two photos to indicate that the vehicle is moving and, if so, the op's car took 29 seconds to cross the two detector loops. Even at 1 mph a car will travel about three car lengths so in this case the op's car was creeping forward rather than being stationary.

I have red light camera photos which clearly indicates that the car was moving from the time taken between the two photos.
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post Wed, 20 Jan 2021 - 16:47
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I think you are misunderstanding what the OP said, the OP's vehicle triggered the sensors that activates the camera after the red light had been illuminated for 26 seconds, nothing to do with a time difference between sensor triggers. Once the sensor is triggered the camera will take a still and a short fixed time afterwards will take another.
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post Wed, 20 Jan 2021 - 16:50
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QUOTE (baroudeur @ Wed, 20 Jan 2021 - 16:37) *
Don't red light cameras take two photos to indicate that the vehicle is moving and, if so, the op's car took 29 seconds to cross the two detector loops.

They take two photos a fixed time apart, 0.5 seconds usually, this is to show that the vehicle is moving (offence committed) and not stationary (which would not be an offence)


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post Thu, 21 Jan 2021 - 16:04
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Wed, 20 Jan 2021 - 16:50) *
QUOTE (baroudeur @ Wed, 20 Jan 2021 - 16:37) *
Don't red light cameras take two photos to indicate that the vehicle is moving and, if so, the op's car took 29 seconds to cross the two detector loops.

They take two photos a fixed time apart, 0.5 seconds usually, this is to show that the vehicle is moving (offence committed) and not stationary (which would not be an offence)



Some red light cameras use induction loops and the photo of the location in the link clearly shows, on both lanes, a loop around the stop line and another just past it which suggests that this is the method at this location. If so, the op's car moved from the first loop to the second loop 29 seconds after the red appeared.

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post Thu, 21 Jan 2021 - 16:42
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Again no, the loop triggers the first photo and the second is a fixed time later.


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post Fri, 22 Jan 2021 - 00:52
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For the OP

I think most agree that those who blast through red lights, putting pedestrians and other drivers at risk, deserve criminal sanctions.

With criminal offences it is best if offences are clear. It would not be easy to differentiate clearly between "dangerous" drivers and the supposed "safe" group of red light jumpers you categorise yourself as.

The police say they aim to educate and here the lesson is clear. Out of gear, handbrake on, keep your money in your pocket next time. Much easier to avoid than speeding.
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post Fri, 22 Jan 2021 - 16:21
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I must be missing something obvious, but based on this being the location in question, how is it not obvious where to stop? The white line is massive, and immediately after there is a crossing ubiquitously marked by two lighter pieces of tarmac. Where's this "bike lane in front of the lights" that has been mentioned? It doesn't exist on Google Streetview.

For the camera to trigger after 26 seconds, rather than much earlier, I'd assuming the OP did in fact stop at the line but then inexplicably decided to start creeping past it after they got tired of waiting? 26 seconds is a fair old time to wait, but not unheard of.

The only other possibility would be that the OP drove straight through the red, realised his mistake and stopped?

I'm struggling to understand what is confusing about this road layout, as someone who isn't local and has never encountered it in person.

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post Fri, 22 Jan 2021 - 18:05
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QUOTE (Durzel @ Fri, 22 Jan 2021 - 16:21) *
For the camera to trigger after 26 seconds, rather than much earlier, I'd assuming the OP did in fact stop at the line but then inexplicably decided to start creeping past it after they got tired of waiting? 26 seconds is a fair old time to wait, but not unheard of.

Maybe he saw the light turn to amber and crossed the line too early, I've seen this happen.


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