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Red light camera PCN?
Spinstorm
post Fri, 31 May 2019 - 08:48
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I was waiting at these traffic lights on Saturday last week:

https://goo.gl/maps/9Js9c29PBh149T3y8

There were two cars in front of me. There are lights on the road and in front and they were different colours. Unfortunately I don’t recall which was red and which was green. I assume the ones right in front were red and the lights on the other side green.

It was 4am and I was honestly totally confused by these lights. The two guys in front of me when through and then I started to go. I crossed the white line but stopped as I wasn’t sure and there was a car coming across. I then continued on when the car alongside and behind me started moving.

I haven’t gotten a PCN yet - it could still arrive as there are 14 days but am I likely to get one if it was a red light? Or would they realise I stopped even though it was after the line and not send me a penalty notice?
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post Fri, 31 May 2019 - 08:54
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You won't get a PCN, you may get a Notice of Intention to Prosecute (NIP) that would need to be served on the registered keeper within 14 days of the event.

That said as I can't see any camera's at that location how do you think they will know that an offence may have occurred anyway?

As this isn't a live case it will probably get moved to the flame pit forum.


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post Fri, 31 May 2019 - 10:46
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There is a camera right there. But yes NIP sorry I what I meant.

I guess my question is am I likely to get an NIP even though I stopped after the white line? Assuming the light was red in the first place and camera was active.
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post Fri, 31 May 2019 - 11:10
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If the light was red and you crossed the stop line then yes. It would have flashed and you should have noticed that?


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post Fri, 31 May 2019 - 11:11
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I can now see there is a camera HOUSING it may not have a camera in it.

If there is a camera there then it will snap you as you commit the offence by crossing the white stop line (with any part of the car).

For anyone else looking, here is a usable link https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4830072,-0....6384!8i8192


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post Fri, 31 May 2019 - 11:34
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It was daytime. And the position of the camera to where I was stopped made it not possible to even see the camera.

Is there any discretion from the police in a situation where you stop after crossing the line because you realise you made a mistake?

Is this automatically going to be 3 points? No option of a course with red light cameras?
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post Fri, 31 May 2019 - 11:41
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Yes they have discretion but a ‘mistake’ probably won’t be sufficient.

Courses are available for red light offences. (Otherwise 3 points £100)


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post Fri, 31 May 2019 - 16:35
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There may be different ways of detecting whether the line has been crossed but I don't see any buried sensors around the stop line.
That would be the normal way (that I know of) a red light camera works.
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post Fri, 31 May 2019 - 21:10
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QUOTE (KH_ @ Fri, 31 May 2019 - 17:35) *
There may be different ways of detecting whether the line has been crossed but I don't see any buried sensors around the stop line.

They're not always visible.


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post Sat, 1 Jun 2019 - 06:56
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QUOTE (KH_ @ Fri, 31 May 2019 - 17:35) *
There may be different ways of detecting whether the line has been crossed but I don't see any buried sensors around the stop line.

Use the Google time machine option and they reappear - here.

Resurfacing can hide them...


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PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request

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