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post Thu, 19 Jul 2018 - 02:01
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I received a parking charge notice in the post from a company called ES Parking Enforcement.

The car park in question has recently been taken over by them, so their rules have only been in effect for a few months.

Parking at the site has always been free, but the charge is "leaving the site"

Of the small group of shops adjacent to the car park, it seems only the 3 that face into the car park are considered "on
site". The other shops have their rear entrances directly on the car park, but face out into the street, to a wide
pavement/pedestrian area joined to the car park with a footpath. These are apparently "off site"

They have been agressively charging everyone, even the staff that work at the retail outlets.

I have receipts/evidence of purchases from the "on site" shops both before and after the incident time quoted on the PCN.

all their signs are mounted 8 feet up and you have to get quite close and crane your neck to read them. On site and off
site shops are NOT defined on the signs.

i've been trying to read up on the laws and my rights, but obviously time is tight, and it's all so confusing.

from browsing the forum, it seems like an appeal to ES parking, and then the IAS, or any IPC affiliated company would be a waste of time (the phrase "kangaroo court" comes up a lot)

I would really appreciate your help, is there anything i can do in this situation?




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post Thu, 26 Jul 2018 - 07:42
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And of coruse, if none of the options directly apply, you just add to the text of the appeal that their stupid website required you to select an option, none of which applied, and in fact....
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post Thu, 26 Jul 2018 - 10:24
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Edited and will follow advice below.

This post has been edited by Ladida: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 - 10:37
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post Thu, 26 Jul 2018 - 10:31
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QUOTE (Ladida @ Thu, 26 Jul 2018 - 11:24) *
I am also in the same position, I received a notice about leaving this site.

I have receipts from an on site shop and from the time on my receipt to the time on the images they captured is around 3 minutes.

I am in two minds whether to state my case with that as it's ridiculous or go with the template suggested about not being liable as keeper.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

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post Thu, 26 Jul 2018 - 10:34
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Firstly, can you start your own thread (but feel free to place a link to this one), as we have a one-case/one-thread rule.

Secondly, edit your post, and be careful on the wording of the new thread to ensure that the driver is referred to as 'the driver'.

Thirdly, ES Parking won't give a stuff about the driver's receipt (although you should include this as part of the appeal), which is why you need to also include the stuff about not being liable as keeper as a belt and braces approach.

You'll be surprised at how uncaring the parking company is about whether you are in the right or not. They just want your money, thanks very much.


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post Sat, 22 Sep 2018 - 20:18
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Does the op have an update of their appeal?
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post Sat, 29 Sep 2018 - 22:57
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Hi all, so I went through the online appeal portal with the message provided by ostell about their "fine" not confirming to POFA.

About a month later, I received a letter telling me my appeal has been rejected, along with an explanation of why they thought leaving the site was a bad thing (all BS) and with no mention of any point that I raised.

The letter really gives three impression that they didn't even read the appeal at all.

Since then I have received nothing and will continue to ignore anything that comes until/if I get a court summons.
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post Sun, 30 Sep 2018 - 05:42
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You will now get an avalanche of paper from debt collectors and Gladstones.

If you get one from Gladstones requiring you to pay DRP, come back for a letter to send to Gladstones regarding their letterhead being used.

If you get a letter before claim, or similar, from Gladstones, come back here. This must be answered.

If you get a court claim, come back here.

All of the above will happen in due course. You now need to get reading the rest of the forum, maybe even joining in some threads, to hone your skills and knowledge of the process. This will build your confidence for the ensuing battle and your eventual [probable] win! Lots of work to do.


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post Sun, 30 Sep 2018 - 08:32
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They nearly always reject an appeal, especially as they know that the next stage, an appeal to the IAS, will also be rejected. How else would they get their monet if they accepted appeals.
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post Mon, 1 Oct 2018 - 10:49
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Cabbyman - Gladstones have finally worked out e know their scam, and are saying, if you ask htem, that tey DID provide authority to use their letterhead. Youd have no way of proving it, I dont think, as they can claim there is a general agreement to allow it, not tied to any individual case, and so DSAR would be useless.
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post Thu, 11 Oct 2018 - 21:26
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Hi recently received the same PCN as Unfairly_Photoshopped from the same car park. I sent the letter suggested by Ostell and have just received a letter rejecting my 'Appeal' which sound very similar to the one sent to U_P.

I understand how they seem to have made a mess of the POFA but I'm concerned that they will still continue to pursue me. Does this not constitute harassment if they know they would lose the case in Court.

Also can I request any debt collectors acting on their behalf to remove my details from their databases as they do not have my permission or the authority from a court

Thanks for assistance
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post Thu, 11 Oct 2018 - 21:29
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Please start your own thread so as not to cause confusion
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