Sentencing guidelines for carrying CS gas |
Sentencing guidelines for carrying CS gas |
Thu, 12 Jul 2018 - 14:56
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What would the sentencing guidelines be if you were pulled over and found to have a can of cs gas in the car?
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Thu, 12 Jul 2018 - 15:10
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Assuming you hadn't tried to use it on the police, probably a fine and community service. https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/offen...ointed-articles
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Thu, 12 Jul 2018 - 15:24
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Member Group: Members Posts: 25,726 Joined: 28 Jun 2010 From: Area 51 Member No.: 38,559 |
The immediate aftermath could be a few days or so in high security while Special Branch and anti terrorist occifers question you and dismantle your possessions.
I trust you have nothing on phone or computer that you do not want the world to see. |
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Thu, 12 Jul 2018 - 15:32
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,333 Joined: 28 Mar 2014 From: Corby Member No.: 69,758 |
Well, as per s.5(1)(b) Firearms Act 1968 (as amended) it's generally prohibited so I wouldn't expect anything too pleasant.
Maximum of 10 years imprisonment (plus unlimited fine), as far as I recall. This post has been edited by typefish: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 - 15:34 |
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Thu, 12 Jul 2018 - 17:01
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My little enclave became the firearms capital of the West Midlands a few years back.
Some schoolkid bought a CS cannister on the French trip, and let it off in the classroom at the school when they got back. Every one of the gassed children was recorded as a firearms incident on the crime map |
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Thu, 12 Jul 2018 - 17:35
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My little enclave became the firearms capital of the West Midlands a few years back. Some schoolkid bought a CS cannister on the French trip, and let it off in the classroom at the school when they got back. Every one of the gassed children was recorded as a firearms incident on the crime map What happened to the little sod who let off the CS gas? |
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Thu, 12 Jul 2018 - 19:16
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,397 Joined: 12 Jun 2008 From: West Sussex Member No.: 20,304 |
My little enclave became the firearms capital of the West Midlands a few years back. Some schoolkid bought a CS cannister on the French trip, and let it off in the classroom at the school when they got back. Every one of the gassed children was recorded as a firearms incident on the crime map What happened to the little sod who let off the CS gas? Gazon tout I expect. |
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Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 07:05
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I don't know what happened. Clearly the Police were involved for it to get on the Crime map and in the papers (you'd expect the school to keep it quiet if they could), but I can't track down the articles now.
I suspect sending him to prison wouldn't have been in the Public Interest though, and it was before everybody started running around shouting "terrorist" every time they hear a loud noise. |
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Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 11:23
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Would be difficult to keep it quiet, if there was CS gas in an enclosed space you would need multiple ambulances presumably with the police on tow. It's not going to be a case of giving the kids a glass of water in the corridor and back to class.
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Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 13:36
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So what we're saying is carrying a can in the car for self defense purposes wouldn't land you in too much trouble unless you actually used it?
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Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 13:45
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Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 13:50
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So what we're saying is carrying a can in the car for self defense purposes wouldn't land you in too much trouble unless you actually used it? No, it’s a section 5 firearm. -------------------- Moderator
Any comments made do not constitute legal advice and should not be relied upon. No lawyer/client relationship should be assumed nor should any duty of care be owed. |
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Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 14:36
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So what we're saying is carrying a can in the car for self defense purposes wouldn't land you in too much trouble unless you actually used it? We reading the same thread? I don't know :/ Possession of it is very illegal. Possession of it for what essentially is offensive purposes is much more illegal. This post has been edited by typefish: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 14:41 |
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Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 15:04
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It's difficult to see what sort of defence it would provide unless you make a habit of driving through riots.
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Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 17:03
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So what we're saying is carrying a can in the car for self defense purposes wouldn't land you in too much trouble unless you actually used it? Do you think if you were to carry a loaded gun in your car you wouldn't get yourself in too much trouble unless you actually used it? Because legally, CS spray is the same as a gun. It's difficult to see what sort of defence it would provide unless you make a habit of driving through riots. I disagree on that, in countries where it's legal it's routinely sold as a self-defence weapon. In the US they even have versions for women that are pink and fit nicely into a hand bag's makeup compartment. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 17:05
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Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 17:27
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It's difficult to see what sort of defence it would provide unless you make a habit of driving through riots. I disagree on that, in countries where it's legal it's routinely sold as a self-defence weapon. In the US they even have versions for women that are pink and fit nicely into a hand bag's makeup compartment. That’s normally OC (pepper spray), isn’t it? I always found CS to be hit or miss (sometimes literally) as the effects on people vary. PAVA was a different beast and I preferred it. -------------------- Moderator
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Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 17:48
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........I disagree on that, in countries where it's legal it's routinely sold as a self-defence weapon. In the US they even have versions for women that are pink and fit nicely into a hand bag's makeup compartment. And in the US you can buy all sorts of handguns in pretty pink with matching accessories that are specifically sold with the female population in mind. Legal there but not here |
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Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 20:04
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I disagree on that, in countries where it's legal it's routinely sold as a self-defence weapon. In the US they even have versions for women that are pink and fit nicely into a hand bag's makeup compartment. In what countries is CS gas legal for civilians? I can't believe even the US would allow it for civilians but prohibit it for the military. |
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Fri, 13 Jul 2018 - 22:09
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I can't believe even the US would allow it for civilians but prohibit it for the military. What? -------------------- Moderator
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