Parking in residents bay after I vacated my flat |
Parking in residents bay after I vacated my flat |
Sun, 18 Mar 2018 - 21:21
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 5 Joined: 18 Mar 2018 Member No.: 97,113 |
I was renting a flat and I had a residents parking permit from the local council.
I had to pay for the permit and the permit had an expiry date of 30/06/2018. However I was made redundant in November and as money was very tight i gave notice on my flat and moved in with various friends on a short term basis until I got myself sorted. I moved out of my flat at the end of January but as the friend I was staying with lived nearby I continued to use my parking permit. However 10 days ago I received a PCN saying that the parking fee had not been paid , even though i was displaying my permit. When I left the flat I told the Council Tax department I was leaving so it is possible they know I have left the address the permit relates to. It is also possible that the new tenant has applied for a permit and so they have cancelled mine. The PCN does not say invalid permit , it says I have not paid and displayed the appropriate fee. The charge is £50 reduced to £25 if paid within 14 days , in a few days time. With my recent redundancy i can not really afford to pay anything , not even the £25 lower figure. Do I have any options or will I have to take it on the chin and pay-up. any help/advice would be most appreciated |
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Sun, 18 Mar 2018 - 21:23
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,905 Joined: 11 Jul 2010 Member No.: 38,904 |
Post both sides of the PCN - minus name and address
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Sun, 18 Mar 2018 - 21:26
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,007 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
Also any available photos of the signs and the location on Google Street View, if it is available.
-------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Sun, 18 Mar 2018 - 21:34
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Member Group: Closed Posts: 9,710 Joined: 28 Mar 2007 Member No.: 11,355 |
This will depend on what the Parking Places Order says about permits--expired, expunged or otherwise. Ownership or tenancy in a named street might be a pre-requisite.
Any permit refunds due for April-June? Mick This post has been edited by Mad Mick V: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 - 21:37 |
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Sun, 18 Mar 2018 - 21:36
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Member Group: Members Posts: 23,582 Joined: 12 Feb 2013 From: London Member No.: 59,924 |
Need to be careful here as you can be prosecuted for not returning a permit if ineligible. Was it paid for or free?
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Sun, 18 Mar 2018 - 21:56
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 5 Joined: 18 Mar 2018 Member No.: 97,113 |
The parking sign says Permit holders only Mon-Fri 8am to 6pm.
No where does ir say anything about being able to pay yet the PCN quotes " Parked without payment of the parking charge" What do you mean by "Parking Places Order" |
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Sun, 18 Mar 2018 - 22:18
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Member Group: Closed Posts: 9,710 Joined: 28 Mar 2007 Member No.: 11,355 |
Sounds like you got a code 12 contravention but at a lower penalty--interesting.
You'll have to give us a sight of the PCN. The Order relates to how the Council regulates parking through its "byelaws". So we need the name of the Council so we can check them for you. Mick |
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Sun, 18 Mar 2018 - 22:25
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Member Group: Members Posts: 35,155 Joined: 2 Aug 2008 From: Woking Member No.: 21,551 |
Photos, PCN and GSV.
Pl do not explain the location, show us. From what you've posted so far either you or the authority are totally wrong. So which of you is it? Only the photos etc. will show. Over to you. |
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Sun, 18 Mar 2018 - 22:47
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 5 Joined: 18 Mar 2018 Member No.: 97,113 |
Looks like it is a code 11 infringement on the PCN.
Details from PCN PCN Number XXXXXXXXX Served on : 09/03/18 By Civil Enforcement Officer : 123 Who had reasonable cause to believe that the following parking contravention has occurred and that a penalty charge is now payable. 11.Parked without payment of the parking charge. Date of contravention 09/03/18 Time of contravention 10:20 Location : Another Road Vehilce Registration Number XX00 XXX Make Correct Colour Correct Time First Observed : From : 10.13 to 10.20 A penalty charge of £50 is now payable............................................. ................................................................................ ...................... hcanderson could you explain what you mean by "From what you've posted so far either you or the authority are totally wrong." |
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Sun, 18 Mar 2018 - 22:50
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Member Group: Members Posts: 23,582 Joined: 12 Feb 2013 From: London Member No.: 59,924 |
You need to take a pic of the PCN and post it using a site such as Imgur and Flickr. We need the location on Google Street View. We need the council and any pics on the council's site.
This post has been edited by stamfordman: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 - 22:50 |
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Mon, 19 Mar 2018 - 08:17
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Member Group: Closed Posts: 9,710 Joined: 28 Mar 2007 Member No.: 11,355 |
Are we being trolled?
We've already asked 5 or 6 times for adequate information. Mick |
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Mon, 19 Mar 2018 - 08:33
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 5 Joined: 18 Mar 2018 Member No.: 97,113 |
Mick ,I thought this would be a site to get help not abuse.
Above are details of what the PCN says. The street parking signs say "Permit holders only,Mon - Fri 8am to 6pm " There is no option to make payment to park. Yet the code on the PCN is code 11 ,not paid payment charge. I was displaying a valid residents permit, all be it I had left the tenancy at the address the permit was issued for 6 weeks earlier. |
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Mon, 19 Mar 2018 - 08:39
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Member Group: Members Posts: 35,155 Joined: 2 Aug 2008 From: Woking Member No.: 21,551 |
OP, you must show us photos and GSV.
We cannot give aid without adequate data, otherwise we would be guessing and that's not what we do. We must also closely examine an OP's account and not just take what's offered for granted. In this way we give you the best options. Over to you. This post has been edited by hcandersen: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 - 08:55 |
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Mon, 19 Mar 2018 - 08:56
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,900 Joined: 2 Aug 2016 Member No.: 86,040 |
Is there any possibility you were parked in a bay that that sign did not apply to. ?
Without knowledge of the exact location nobody can tell. |
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Mon, 19 Mar 2018 - 09:03
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Member Group: Members Posts: 13,735 Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Member No.: 14,720 |
Was it paid for or free? I had to pay for the permit
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Mon, 19 Mar 2018 - 09:11
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Member Group: Members Posts: 350 Joined: 18 Mar 2015 Member No.: 76,324 |
OP, you must show us photos and GSV. Yes, to reaffirm this. Please photo/scan the PCN, all parts, all sides that have something on, use an image storage website to host, as you can't upload here. GSV = Google StreetView so we can see where the infraction took place. Also if you have shots of the signs etc, that would be helpful too. There's more than one way to skin a cat and find arguments against... |
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Mon, 19 Mar 2018 - 10:09
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 5 Joined: 18 Mar 2018 Member No.: 97,113 |
By giving details of GSV I will be disclosing your the contravention took place.
Some people advise against doing that. Is to say a wrong code has been used a valid argument to appeal. |
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Mon, 19 Mar 2018 - 10:15
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Member Group: Members Posts: 23,582 Joined: 12 Feb 2013 From: London Member No.: 59,924 |
No one here will advise you not to post what we ask for....
Have look at most of the other threads and you'll see. This post has been edited by stamfordman: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 - 10:27 |
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Tue, 20 Mar 2018 - 11:05
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,007 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
Some people advise against doing that. I question the sanity of such people. The council know where the contravention took place, as do you. If there location is wrong on the PCN, it's too late for the council to rectify it now. It's hard to see what could be gained, and what you could possibly lose, by making such information available. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Tue, 20 Mar 2018 - 11:09
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Member Group: Members Posts: 23,582 Joined: 12 Feb 2013 From: London Member No.: 59,924 |
Some people advise against doing that. I question the sanity of such people. The council know where the contravention took place, as do you. If there location is wrong on the PCN, it's too late for the council to rectify it now. It's hard to see what could be gained, and what you could possibly lose, by making such information available. I made the point earlier that you can be prosecuted for falsely using a permit. But the chances of the council seeing anything here amid the hundreds of PCNs it deals with is very remote. |
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