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[NIP Wizard] New driver with 2 NIP
1sttimerookie
post Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 09:11
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NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? -
Date of the offence: - February 2018
Date of the NIP: - 7 days after the offence
Date you received the NIP: - 11 days after the offence
Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - B1502 Stanstead Road, East of Foxholes Avenue, Hertford
Was the NIP addressed to you? -
Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - First
If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? -
How many current points do you have? - 0
Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - Hi

I have received 2 NIP for the same location 5 minutes apart from each other. The road has a speed limit of 30mph as it is near a school.

1st NIP was recorded at 12:04 with a speed of 49mph
2nd NIP was recorded at 12:09 with a speed of 37mph

I have requested photographic evidence for both but it's likely that I was traveling in opposite directions 5 minutes apart.

I've had my license for less than 2 years and this is my first traffic offence. I've not attended any driver education courses.

What is the most likely outcome of this? I would hate myself if my licence is revoked.


NIP Wizard Responses
These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation:
Have you received a NIP? - Yes
Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - Yes
Did the first NIP arrive within 14 days? - Yes
Although you are the Registered Keeper, were you also the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes
Were you driving? - Yes
Which country did the alleged offence take place in? - England

NIP Wizard Recommendation
Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:
  • The law requires you to provide the information requested in the Section 172 notice within the 28 day period, naming yourself as the driver. If you are considering obtaining formal legal advice, do so before returning the notice.

    You should note that there is nothing to be gained by responding any earlier than you have to at any stage of the process. You are likely to receive a Conditional Offer of a Fixed Penalty (COFP) and further reminder(s). If you want to continue the fight, you should ignore all correspondence from the police until you receive a summons. You need to understand from the outset that while you will receive much help and support from members on the forums, you will need to put time and effort into fighting your case and ultimately be prepared to stand up in court to defend yourself.

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post Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 09:17
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You have no entitlement to evidence at this stage - you should ask for a photo "to aid identification of the driver" ....however, they will probably send you photos of the car.

Offence 1 ...just qualifies for an FPN (3pts + £100)

Offence 2 ... should get an offer of a speed awareness course.

If they are in opposite directions, there is little chance of getting them dealt with as a single continuing offence.

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The Rookie
post Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 10:12
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Presumably by this one?
https://www.hertfordshire.gov.uk/images/hig...156895001-2.jpg

Just to 'close the loop' were you unaware it was a 30 for some reason? The streetlighting should have told you it was a 30 limit.


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1sttimerookie
post Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 10:22
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 10:12) *
Presumably by this one?
https://www.hertfordshire.gov.uk/images/hig...156895001-2.jpg

Just to 'close the loop' were you unaware it was a 30 for some reason? The streetlighting should have told you it was a 30 limit.


Yes, that's the road.

I was being daft and wasn't paying attention to the speed. Incredibly stupid and have totally learnt my lesson. sad.gif
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The Rookie
post Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 10:25
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OK, just checking the signage of the limit, then advice as per post #2 and drive like Miss Daisy is sat in the back until you pass the two years!

Reply promptly on the forms, no more unnecesary letters, nothing to give them an idea to decide to not offer a course.


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S172's
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Council PCN's
Rookies 1-0 Warwick
Rookies 1-0 Birmingham

PPC PCN's
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Jlc
post Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 10:26
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QUOTE (AntonyMMM @ Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 09:17) *
Offence 1 ...just qualifies for an FPN (3pts + £100)

Yes, that is 'fortunate' as most forces go to court at 50mph. 50mph at court would most likely have been 6 points (5 if you're lucky) and your licence would have been revoked.


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RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution
PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request

Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it.
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1sttimerookie
post Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 10:27
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QUOTE (AntonyMMM @ Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 09:17) *
You have no entitlement to evidence at this stage - you should ask for a photo "to aid identification of the driver" ....however, they will probably send you photos of the car.

Offence 1 ...just qualifies for an FPN (3pts + £100)

Offence 2 ... should get an offer of a speed awareness course.

If they are in opposite directions, there is little chance of getting them dealt with as a single continuing offence.


They've sent me the photographic evidence; it does show that I was traveling in opposite directions.

Do I now send the NIP back together or separately; or does it not make a difference to the outcome?

Many thanks all.
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The Rookie
post Wed, 21 Feb 2018 - 10:31
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It shouldn't make a difference sending together, but personally I'd send them seperately on the (very) tiny chance it would affect them offering a course, its probably a less than 0.1% chance but I don't think I'd take the chance anyway for the price of a stamp.


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S172's
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Council PCN's
Rookies 1-0 Warwick
Rookies 1-0 Birmingham

PPC PCN's
Rookies 10-0 PPC's
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