Trivial mistyping error, Contrast POPLA and IPC |
Trivial mistyping error, Contrast POPLA and IPC |
Fri, 27 Jul 2018 - 00:51
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The story concerns a motorist that could not enter (voice system) the letter O as part of his registration and had to settle for a zero
The IPC advises members that O v 0 errors are not a breach of terms and conditions POPLA rules that it is https://www.theguardian.com/money/2018/jul/...ine-numberplate This post has been edited by Redivi: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 - 00:55 |
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Fri, 27 Jul 2018 - 06:03
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,198 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
More down to the CoP really, maybe time to lobby the BPA on accepting O and 0 interchangeably.
In that case there was a clear frustration of contract bought about by a failure of JP’s systems so a customer shouldn’t be penalised for that. -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Fri, 27 Jul 2018 - 07:20
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Member Group: Members Posts: 3,768 Joined: 17 Mar 2013 Member No.: 60,602 |
More down to the CoP really, maybe time to lobby the BPA on accepting O and 0 interchangeably. Especially as in the font used on number plates the O & 0 are identical. The only way they can be distinguished is by position. Any system used should not allow the wrong character to be entered as it should be clear from the context that it would be invalid. In the case quoted surely a voice operated system wasn't the only means of entering the VRM? -------------------- British Parking Association Ltd Code of Practice(Appendix C contains Schedule 4 of POFA 2012 ) & can be found here http://www.britishparking.co.uk/Code-of-Pr...ance-monitoring
DfT Guidance on Section 56 and Schedule 4 of POFA 2012 https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/syste...ing-charges.pdf Damning OFT advice on levels of parking charges that was ignored by the BPA Ltd Reference Request Number: IAT/FOIA/135010 – 12 October 2012 |
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Fri, 27 Jul 2018 - 08:22
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,864 Joined: 2 Aug 2016 Member No.: 86,040 |
It is perhaps unfortunate that "zero" "nought" and "oh" seem to be used interchangably for the number. Clearly that resolves to two different things.
Trying to guess based on context is also problematic. At the point of entry there is not enough context to be certain. eg any plate of the format A10 ABC There is also the whole issue of foreign plates. However, since the plate becomes such a key term in the contract there should be some sort of positive confirmation through the user interface that it is correct. This seems rare. |
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Fri, 27 Jul 2018 - 11:28
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,198 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
It is perhaps unfortunate that "zero" "nought" and "oh" seem to be used interchangably for the number. When we underwent interrogation training in the military we were told to always use 'zero' for the number to avoid any ambiguity - for 'number' and DOB. This post has been edited by The Rookie: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 - 11:29 -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Fri, 27 Jul 2018 - 20:38
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There is no real need to worry about context, you just do what any half decent programmer does and convert both user's reported numberplates and ANPR images to one or the other - so for instance O and 0 are always processed as zero.
That way such a mistake never occurs, and there is no loss in functionality as, AFAIK, you can never get two vehicles with identical numberplates save for a same placed O and 0, certainly not using the same car park on the same day. |
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Fri, 27 Jul 2018 - 20:41
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,198 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
That way such a mistake never occurs, and there is no loss in functionality as, AFAIK, you can never get two vehicles with identical numberplates save for a same placed O and 0, certainly not using the same car park on the same day. No need to worry about the same car park on the same day, you can’t get a UK plate with just an O and 0 transposed to make the same appearance. -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Fri, 27 Jul 2018 - 22:20
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The requirement to enter the full registration has no purpose other than to increase the possibility of an error
The last three letters have more than 15 000 combinations - easily enough to identify the car in most car parks Even Meadowhall only has 12 000 spaces |
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Tue, 31 Jul 2018 - 16:29
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That way such a mistake never occurs, and there is no loss in functionality as, AFAIK, you can never get two vehicles with identical numberplates save for a same placed O and 0, certainly not using the same car park on the same day. No need to worry about the same car park on the same day, you can’t get a UK plate with just an O and 0 transposed to make the same appearance. |
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Tue, 31 Jul 2018 - 18:43
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Wed, 1 Aug 2018 - 03:33
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,198 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
you could with I & 1 though. PI55OFF & P155OFF for example. But yes you could with 1 and I if any of the prefixes used I as the second letter, as none do presumably they thought of that, so its still a can't I'm afraid. https://www.newreg.co.uk/dvla-number-plate-identifiers/ As it happens in your example DVLA will issue neither, a work colleague tried and ended with P155 ORF as the nearest they would let him have. This post has been edited by The Rookie: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 - 03:38 -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Wed, 1 Aug 2018 - 07:43
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I recall being told that, in the USA where he could choose a registration number, somebody had one composed entirely of 0, O, 1 and I because it would be next to untraceable
Didn't occur to him that, until others did the same, such a unique registration would be easily recognised from its description |
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