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post Tue, 15 Sep 2020 - 08:16
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Hi guys,

Hopefully that fits into that category,

I was driving on the motorway (70mph with cruise control in middle lane as trucks were on the left lane) and was holding my phone in my right hand as I was in a messenger video call (with both hands on the wheel - handheld was connected in bluetooth) - I know, I'm an idiot, more on that later. Another car started to overtake me, (which I could see coming in my mirror and then sense with my peripherical vision) and cruised at my level and honked at me, I look on my right, guy is driving with one hand, and his left arm is straight pointing toward me with a phone. I ignore him as on the moment I don't quite understand what he wants, he drives off.

Later I realized that he was probably filming me because I was holding my phone in my hand. Maybe that this person was filming me - and given the fact his left arm was straight, he could argue that a passenger was filming. I read that people can upload video of evidence of careless driving (and that includes using/holding a phone in a car). What are my chances of actually receiving anything? Or was the guy simply trying to scare me (that worked)?

On the positive side, I now know a lot more about holding mobile phones while behind the wheel as I've been reading about it for the last 2 hours and will be anxious about it for the next few weeks waiting for a devastating fine that might never arrive.

Stay safe everyone,
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post Sun, 20 Sep 2020 - 21:58
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QUOTE (Boomer @ Sun, 20 Sep 2020 - 20:21) *
QUOTE (cp8759 @ Sun, 20 Sep 2020 - 18:48) *
It's a bizarre concept that attempts to put a negative spin on reporting someone who is breaking the rules that we all, as a society, have agreed to abide by...


But WE (society) did NOT agree to these "rules". They are being created by STATUTORY INSTRUMENTS that don't even need parliamentary approval

The relevant section of the Act is literally titled "Parliamentary control", see https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1984/22/section/45Q


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post Sun, 20 Sep 2020 - 22:11
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QUOTE (speedfighter23 @ Sun, 20 Sep 2020 - 21:57) *
And of course, it needs perspective, obviously a murderer and a raper needs to be reported to the police, but you cant compare that crime with the crime of someone texting at traffic lights and then a cyclist taking a video of them and sending it to the police!

Why not? If someone you knew had been killed by a driver who was on his phone, you might have a different attitude. We all know that texting on a hand-held phone while driving is illegal, and it's really no good complaining about getting caught. If you think it's a stupid law, by all means start a campaign to abolish it (and good luck with that).

Unlike most other countries, there is no legal doctrine in England & Wales that only "the authorities" are entitled to enforce the law, on the contrary the courts have held that all citizens have an interest in upholding the rule of law, which is why amongst other things we all have a power to use reasonable force to prevent a breach of the peace, or bring a criminal prosecution, even in relations to matters that have nothing to do with us.

Reporting road traffic offences is pretty much the same and at the end of the day, it's not as if a cyclist can prosecute you himself as he won't know your name and address, so the police effectively act as a filter to ensure the only road traffic matters that are pursued based on evidence from the public are those that the police themselves would have pursued had they been there at the time.

And reporting someone who breaches the COVID rules is both in the public interest and in everyone's private interest. It's obviously in the interests of public health generally, and it's in my own interest because the more people flout the rules, the higher the odds that even tighter restrictions will be put in place, and I don't want to end up not being able to leave the house at all just because my neighbours wanted to have a dozen relatives over for a big cook up.


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post Mon, 21 Sep 2020 - 06:17
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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Sun, 20 Sep 2020 - 23:11) *
And reporting someone who breaches the COVID rules is both in the public interest and in everyone's private interest. It's obviously in the interests of public health generally, and it's in my own interest because the more people flout the rules, the higher the odds that even tighter restrictions will be put in place, and I don't want to end up not being able to leave the house at all just because my neighbours wanted to have a dozen relatives over for a big cook up.


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post Mon, 21 Sep 2020 - 09:14
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I am totally against informing on neighbours who do not follow the rules of maximum of 6 people. I believe it will lead to social unrest between families for generations to come. That animosity between families will pass down the generations, to the point where it becomes pure hatred and in decades to come a son will say to his father, why do we hate the Jones so much and the answer will be I don't know son, they're just bad people don't trust them.
That feud will spread to other families and the tribal social war expands and in the future nobody will know why, And all because a neighbour reported a party next door of more than six.
And that is just two families.


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post Mon, 21 Sep 2020 - 11:56
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Yeah, lets all just ignore those who do not see the need to follow simple rules

The UK could see 50,000 new coronavirus cases a day by mid-October without further action, the government's chief scientific adviser has warned.

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post Mon, 21 Sep 2020 - 12:53
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QUOTE (Mayhem007 @ Mon, 21 Sep 2020 - 10:14) *
I am totally against informing on neighbours who do not follow the rules of maximum of 6 people. I believe it will lead to social unrest between families for generations to come. That animosity between families will pass down the generations, to the point where it becomes pure hatred and in decades to come a son will say to his father, why do we hate the Jones so much and the answer will be I don't know son, they're just bad people don't trust them.
That feud will spread to other families and the tribal social war expands and in the future nobody will know why, And all because a neighbour reported a party next door of more than six.
And that is just two families.

You make it sounds like they'll be a civil war. For one thing, there's no way anyone could know who made a report, it could be anyone including a passer-by who saw too many people in a garden from the street. This idea that "animosity between families will pass down the generations" is utter drivel.


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post Mon, 21 Sep 2020 - 20:20
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Shame you didn't start recording him recording you.
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QUOTE (mickR @ Sun, 20 Sep 2020 - 21:58) *
Arent you in a part of the country particularly effected by the virus? Maybe all the un muzzled morons that have escaped imprisonment might be why.


Yup, i am part of the "Birmingham, Sandwell and Solihull" lockdown, which means that i am forbidden BY LAW to visit any other house or private garden anywhere in the entire country (apart from the one in my "bubble"). Amongst the 1.8 million people directly affected there are almost certainly some escaped morons, but according to https://www.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/in...42c5f6912ed7076 the area where i live (and an awful lot of other areas also under the lockdown) have reported "0 - 2" cases for the week 11th to 17th September!
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post Mon, 21 Sep 2020 - 20:34
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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Sun, 20 Sep 2020 - 22:58) *
QUOTE (Boomer @ Sun, 20 Sep 2020 - 20:21) *
QUOTE (cp8759 @ Sun, 20 Sep 2020 - 18:48) *
It's a bizarre concept that attempts to put a negative spin on reporting someone who is breaking the rules that we all, as a society, have agreed to abide by...


But WE (society) did NOT agree to these "rules". They are being created by STATUTORY INSTRUMENTS that don't even need parliamentary approval

The relevant section of the Act is literally titled "Parliamentary control", see https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1984/22/section/45Q

But the individual "rules" are done by SIs (e.g. https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/986/made for the "six is plenty" one brought in last week).

Ironically it contains a paragraph saying...
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In accordance with section 45R of that Act the Secretary of State is of the opinion that, by reason of urgency, it is necessary to make this instrument without a draft having been laid before, and approved by a resolution of, each House of Parliament.

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post Mon, 21 Sep 2020 - 20:37
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QUOTE (Boomer @ Mon, 21 Sep 2020 - 21:23) *
QUOTE (mickR @ Sun, 20 Sep 2020 - 21:58) *
Arent you in a part of the country particularly effected by the virus? Maybe all the un muzzled morons that have escaped imprisonment might be why.


Yup, i am part of the "Birmingham, Sandwell and Solihull" lockdown, which means that i am forbidden BY LAW to visit any other house or private garden anywhere in the entire country (apart from the one in my "bubble"). Amongst the 1.8 million people directly affected there are almost certainly some escaped morons, but according to https://www.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/in...42c5f6912ed7076 the area where i live (and an awful lot of other areas also under the lockdown) have reported "0 - 2" cases for the week 11th to 17th September!


Do you personally know anyone thats died from the virus?
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QUOTE (mickR @ Mon, 21 Sep 2020 - 21:37) *
QUOTE (Boomer @ Mon, 21 Sep 2020 - 21:23) *
QUOTE (mickR @ Sun, 20 Sep 2020 - 21:58) *
Arent you in a part of the country particularly effected by the virus? Maybe all the un muzzled morons that have escaped imprisonment might be why.


Yup, i am part of the "Birmingham, Sandwell and Solihull" lockdown, which means that i am forbidden BY LAW to visit any other house or private garden anywhere in the entire country (apart from the one in my "bubble"). Amongst the 1.8 million people directly affected there are almost certainly some escaped morons, but according to https://www.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/in...42c5f6912ed7076 the area where i live (and an awful lot of other areas also under the lockdown) have reported "0 - 2" cases for the week 11th to 17th September!


Do you personally know anyone thats died from the virus?

Since "only" about 1/1500 of the population has died (so far), most people won't. That doesn't make it any less real, or dangerous, let alone less of a major issue for many who thankfully haven't died but will nonetheless have suffered long-lasting damage. The "I don't personally know anyone who's died" argument has to be one of the most dim-witted rolled out during this pandemic, right alongside "masks suffocate you with CO2".


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post Tue, 22 Sep 2020 - 08:22
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QUOTE (Fredd @ Mon, 21 Sep 2020 - 22:21) *
QUOTE (mickR @ Mon, 21 Sep 2020 - 21:37) *
QUOTE (Boomer @ Mon, 21 Sep 2020 - 21:23) *
QUOTE (mickR @ Sun, 20 Sep 2020 - 21:58) *
Arent you in a part of the country particularly effected by the virus? Maybe all the un muzzled morons that have escaped imprisonment might be why.


Yup, i am part of the "Birmingham, Sandwell and Solihull" lockdown, which means that i am forbidden BY LAW to visit any other house or private garden anywhere in the entire country (apart from the one in my "bubble"). Amongst the 1.8 million people directly affected there are almost certainly some escaped morons, but according to https://www.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/in...42c5f6912ed7076 the area where i live (and an awful lot of other areas also under the lockdown) have reported "0 - 2" cases for the week 11th to 17th September!


Do you personally know anyone thats died from the virus?

Since "only" about 1/1500 of the population has died (so far), most people won't. That doesn't make it any less real, or dangerous, let alone less of a major issue for many who thankfully haven't died but will nonetheless have suffered long-lasting damage. The "I don't personally know anyone who's died" argument has to be one of the most dim-witted rolled out during this pandemic, right alongside "masks suffocate you with CO2".


Clearly i should have said "you obviously dont personally know anyone whos died"

My comment was aimed at highlighting the fact if Boomer clearly doesnt know anyone whos died, like i do, more than one in fact, some are less likely to take the situation seriously. Eg the... Cant see it? It doesnt exist. I havrnt got it im ok, im young it doesnt affect young people, i dont know anyone whos got it.... etc etc mentality. Truth being no one knows how long its been out there or what long term issues might be or who had it begore the government decided testing was better than heard immunity, (or is it?) The figures now cant be compared to march or april as they werent even testing all the people admitted at A&E let alone all people showing symtoms.
So getting back to the issue of "ratting" hell yes!! if people are ignorant of the dangers and insist on risking spreading the virus by being selfish and irresponsible the bring in laws to protect the vunerable and the wider community. Rat on the ar$e holes? Oh yes!

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QUOTE (mickR @ Tue, 22 Sep 2020 - 09:22) *
Clearly i should have said "you obviously dont personally know anyone whos died"

That's actually what I thought you were saying - I wasn't having a pop at you!


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QUOTE (Fredd @ Tue, 22 Sep 2020 - 10:25) *
QUOTE (mickR @ Tue, 22 Sep 2020 - 09:22) *
Clearly i should have said "you obviously dont personally know anyone whos died"

That's actually what I thought you were saying - I wasn't having a pop at you!

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Talking about morons, I will share with you the following that happened a couple of weeks after lockdown started.

My wife and I were taking a long walk, we heard someone walking up behind us and getting closer, so we moved into someone's drive so he could pass without getting too close which he did.

A few yards further on, he stopped to put his bags down, so we crossed the road to the other pavement, upon which we were met with a barrage of abuse.

He asked "Whats wrong with you?" "I haven't got it you know" To which I replied, "how do you know I haven't got it?" "He then carried on saying "Its a load of old rubbish"

We didn't reply but just carried on walking.


A couple of weeks ago, on a bus, a person asked a young man to put his mask on, the young man then beat the other person up then stamped on his head.

Morons indeed, the second one was just scum.

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QUOTE (Boomer @ Mon, 21 Sep 2020 - 21:34) *
But the individual "rules" are done by SIs (e.g. https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/986/made for the "six is plenty" one brought in last week).

And the SIs can be annulled by a resolution of either House of Parliament.


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QUOTE (mickR @ Tue, 22 Sep 2020 - 09:22) *
My comment was aimed at highlighting the fact if Boomer clearly doesnt know anyone whos died, like i do, more than one in fact, some are less likely to take the situation seriously. Eg the... Cant see it? It doesnt exist. I havrnt got it im ok, im young it doesnt affect young people, i dont know anyone whos got it.... etc etc mentality.

Nice little ad hominem there wink.gif
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QUOTE (Boomer @ Wed, 23 Sep 2020 - 11:19) *
QUOTE (mickR @ Tue, 22 Sep 2020 - 09:22) *
My comment was aimed at highlighting the fact if Boomer clearly doesnt know anyone whos died, like i do, more than one in fact, some are less likely to take the situation seriously. Eg the... Cant see it? It doesnt exist. I havrnt got it im ok, im young it doesnt affect young people, i dont know anyone whos got it.... etc etc mentality.

Nice little ad hominem there wink.gif


Well as my initial comment was in response to you directly it would be difficult for it not to be wink.gif
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