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vagrant1
post Sun, 28 Jul 2019 - 15:46
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After a long time of no offences I had a funny 3 months which has seen 1 stop and breathalyse resulted in a course
Another mobile camera same speed !! 41 in a 30mph offered another course and did this 2 months later!! different county??

Anyway all I thought was well until I received yet another 60 in a 50 on the average speed camera con. Now this was doubly funny as it was on the way to the second course

Now I should just accept and hold my hands up but I ve been told cool.gif that sending an empty letter with proof of posting is a good way to doge this.

Obviously the risk is 6 points and a fine rather than just putting my hands up (unless I get another course)


any experience of this its never worked before ahem ahem???
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post Sun, 28 Jul 2019 - 15:50
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QUOTE (vagrant1 @ Sun, 28 Jul 2019 - 16:46) *
Now I should just accept and hold my hands up but I ve been told cool.gif that sending an empty letter with proof of posting is a good way to doge this.

Obviously the risk is 6 points and a fine rather than just putting my hands up (unless I get another course)

If what you're contemplating is sending an empty envelope and subsequently claiming that you returned the completed s172 nomination, then no, the risk isn't 6 points, it's a prison sentence.

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post Sun, 28 Jul 2019 - 16:45
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QUOTE (vagrant1 @ Sun, 28 Jul 2019 - 16:46) *
Obviously the risk is 6 points and a fine rather than just putting my hands up (unless I get another course)

As mentioned, the risk is a prison sentence for attempting to pervert the course of justice. The police are also known to keep an eye on this forum.

Aside from anything else, if I worked in the police's traffic enforcement office and an empty envelope arrived, I'd pre-emotively bag it up as evidence, just in case.


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vagrant1
post Sun, 28 Jul 2019 - 18:38
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Thank you I know you are right.

Thanks for speedy responses too
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post Sun, 28 Jul 2019 - 19:50
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Sounds like a "Layman's Loopholes" trick, and no doubt something the police are well aware of.


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post Mon, 16 Sep 2019 - 20:17
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Hello


got a nip on my way to a speeding course ...got that out the way. laugh.gif

62 ave in a 50

2 basic questions

does the 3 yrs of the points start from offence date or from when they put it on my licence.

can I send licence with old address on as I have mislaid newer one and I need to send back this week before the gestapo take me to court?







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post Mon, 16 Sep 2019 - 20:26
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The points are active for totting up purposes for three years from the date of the offence.

I wouldn't think it was very wise to send in a licence with an old address. Bound to complicate things. You could try an explanatory letter along with it. I'm not sure of the validity of a licence that has been replaced by a more recent one.
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post Mon, 16 Sep 2019 - 20:32
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thank you

probably include letter just to stop confusion

im a bit worried im over 28 days from the offer letter
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post Mon, 16 Sep 2019 - 20:35
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I replaced my Licence recently, your supposed to send the old one back on receipt of the new one.
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post Mon, 16 Sep 2019 - 21:02
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hello

perhaps i should just say licence is lost an am waiting for new one...they might think im stalling though

should have sorted it by now but hey ho
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post Mon, 16 Sep 2019 - 21:10
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Never lie. Contact them and they may make an allowance.

Otherwise the Mag's court sentencing guidelines has allowances for these situations - with a fixed penalty equivalent sentence where administrative issues unconnected with the offence itself.


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QUOTE (vagrant1 @ Mon, 16 Sep 2019 - 22:02) *
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perhaps i should just say licence is lost an am waiting for new one...they might think im stalling though

should have sorted it by now but hey ho

It's never a good idea to tell lies or try to pull a fast one in matters such as this (your second idea along those lines). It has a habit of ending badly. If you tell the truth there may be a way that the ticket office can accommodate the problem and help you. At the very worst, if the matter ends up in court the court has the discretion to sentence you at the Fixed Penalty level in these circumstances.
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post Mon, 16 Sep 2019 - 21:46
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QUOTE (vagrant1 @ Mon, 16 Sep 2019 - 22:02) *
perhaps i should just say licence is lost an am waiting for new one...they might think im stalling though

If you keep on with the intention to lie your time here will be very short.


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post Mon, 16 Sep 2019 - 21:51
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hello

im not lying the new licence is about...somewhere. I just haven't applied for a new one yet.

ill contact them and explain
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‘im not lying the new licence is about...somewhere. I just haven't applied for a new one yet.’

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post Tue, 17 Sep 2019 - 11:12
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Apply for a new licence, inform the ticket office that you cannot find your licence and will send it on as soon as you receive it.

They should accommodate you, I know Cambs did when I couldn't find my old paper licence and had to apply for a new one. They put the record on hold for 28 days and told me to just inform them if there were any further delays.
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