Does an incorrect name spelling null a notice? |
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Does an incorrect name spelling null a notice? |
 Fri, 31 Jan 2020 - 20:14
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Member Group: Members Posts: 419 Joined: 5 Aug 2008 Member No.: 21,633  |
Received the following which has misspelt surname
Wanted to know if this provides any grounds for appeal? https://ibb.co/PxZfPn8 |
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Fri, 31 Jan 2020 - 20:14
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Fri, 31 Jan 2020 - 20:30
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A NIP is not something that can be appealed, it is a notice. Is it a minor error so that it is clear you are the intended recipient, or does it make the name something different from your own? Are you the registered keeper of the vehicle concerned, and if so is the error on the V5C?
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Sat, 1 Feb 2020 - 06:51
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 Member Group: Members Posts: 56,260 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
As the timing suggests you are the registered keeper of the vehicle, the first check, as pointed out above, is to check if it’s merely copied an error on the V5C (which is likely).
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Sat, 1 Feb 2020 - 14:50
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If the surname isn't significantly different and the V5C is correct, worst case scenario, you should be offered a course at that speed.
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Mon, 3 Feb 2020 - 10:05
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QUOTE (Ocelot @ Sat, 1 Feb 2020 - 14:50)  If the surname isn't significantly different and the V5C is correct, worst case scenario, you should be offered a course at that speed. Thanks I will check the V5C, what if the driver has done a course already within 3 years, thought this would mean points rather than course offered? |
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Mon, 3 Feb 2020 - 10:25
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,260 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
Depends on what course was completed, you can only do one of each course every 3 years (based on offence dates - so a course completed 3 years ago toady would be dated against the offence date which would be at least 6 weeks prior to that).), noting their are 3 different speed awareness courses (conventional, 20 limit and variable speed limit).
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Mon, 3 Feb 2020 - 19:13
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Member Group: Members Posts: 3,140 Joined: 19 Jun 2004 From: Surrey Member No.: 1,326 |
QUOTE (snowman816 @ Mon, 3 Feb 2020 - 10:05) QUOTE (Ocelot @ Sat, 1 Feb 2020 - 14:50) If the surname isn't significantly different and the V5C is correct, worst case scenario, you should be offered a course at that speed. Thanks I will check the V5C, what if the driver has done a course already within 3 years, thought this would mean points rather than course offered? As Rookie says, it will depend on the course, but for a basic speed awareness course you are correct. Have you done any courses in the last three years? |
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Tue, 4 Feb 2020 - 20:30
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Member Group: Members Posts: 419 Joined: 5 Aug 2008 Member No.: 21,633 |
The V5 has been checked and surname is spelt correctly on there, so think it is an error generated on their part
Will check with driver what the previous course was and when |
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Tue, 4 Feb 2020 - 20:42
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QUOTE (snowman816 @ Tue, 4 Feb 2020 - 20:30) The V5 has been checked and surname is spelt correctly on there, so think it is an error generated on their part That is unusual - but is highly unlikely to provide a defence. What's the nature of the error? ...but it could be queried and there's a minute chance they could cancel it based on 'embarrassment'... This post has been edited by Jlc: Tue, 4 Feb 2020 - 20:43 -------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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Wed, 5 Feb 2020 - 07:10
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Member Group: Members Posts: 419 Joined: 5 Aug 2008 Member No.: 21,633 |
QUOTE (Jlc @ Tue, 4 Feb 2020 - 20:42) QUOTE (snowman816 @ Tue, 4 Feb 2020 - 20:30) The V5 has been checked and surname is spelt correctly on there, so think it is an error generated on their part That is unusual - but is highly unlikely to provide a defence. What's the nature of the error? ...but it could be queried and there's a minute chance they could cancel it based on 'embarrassment'... Thanks for your reply, they have spelt surname incorrectly on the notice sent, would I fill in on the back the correct name or query it in another manner? This post has been edited by snowman816: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 - 07:12 |
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Wed, 5 Feb 2020 - 07:35
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Call them up or write a covering letter would be the two ways I could think of drawing attention to their error
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Wed, 5 Feb 2020 - 07:39
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Member Group: Members Posts: 41,580 Joined: 25 Aug 2011 From: Planet Earth Member No.: 49,223 |
Yes, but letter dropped, added or letters swapped?
-------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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Wed, 5 Feb 2020 - 08:32
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,217 Joined: 24 Mar 2013 From: Scotland Member No.: 60,732 |
Does it really matter? From references to the "the driver" I assume the OP is the registered keeper but was not driving at the time. So long as he gives the correct name for the driver, I don't see that it matters if the S172 request had an error in his own name.
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Wed, 5 Feb 2020 - 08:36
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Member Group: Members Posts: 41,580 Joined: 25 Aug 2011 From: Planet Earth Member No.: 49,223 |
More out of interest to understand what the 'error' could be.
Yes, it appears the OP wasn't driving but the 'embarrassment' option is still a long shot. Indeed at the very least the OP should name the driver (Spelt correctly of course  )
-------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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Sat, 8 Feb 2020 - 11:19
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Member Group: Members Posts: 419 Joined: 5 Aug 2008 Member No.: 21,633 |
The other offence was 34 in a 30 approx 17 months ago
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Sat, 8 Feb 2020 - 11:24
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Member Group: Members Posts: 3,140 Joined: 19 Jun 2004 From: Surrey Member No.: 1,326 |
Was it really 34 and not 35?
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Sat, 8 Feb 2020 - 11:24
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QUOTE (snowman816 @ Sat, 8 Feb 2020 - 11:19) The other offence was 34 in a 30 I hope the other details you've given are more accurate than that. -------------------- Regards,
Fredd __________________________________________________________________________
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Sat, 8 Feb 2020 - 11:36
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,260 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
So likely no course will be offered.
-------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
S172's Rookies 1-0 Kent Council PCN's Rookies 1-0 Warwick Rookies 1-0 Birmingham PPC PCN's Rookies 10-0 PPC's |
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Sat, 8 Feb 2020 - 15:00
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Member Group: Members Posts: 419 Joined: 5 Aug 2008 Member No.: 21,633 |
QUOTE (Fredd @ Sat, 8 Feb 2020 - 11:24) QUOTE (snowman816 @ Sat, 8 Feb 2020 - 11:19) The other offence was 34 in a 30 I hope the other details you've given are more accurate than that. Not sure what you are implying here, I have simply stated what I have been told QUOTE (The Rookie @ Sat, 8 Feb 2020 - 11:36) So likely no course will be offered. Thanks for that , so would you say also not worth mentioning about the incorrect name the notice was sent to? |
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Sat, 8 Feb 2020 - 15:55
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Member Group: Members Posts: 103 Joined: 14 Mar 2011 Member No.: 45,072 |
QUOTE (snowman816 @ Sat, 8 Feb 2020 - 15:00) QUOTE (Fredd @ Sat, 8 Feb 2020 - 11:24) QUOTE (snowman816 @ Sat, 8 Feb 2020 - 11:19) The other offence was 34 in a 30 I hope the other details you've given are more accurate than that. Not sure what you are implying here, I have simply stated what I have been told QUOTE (The Rookie @ Sat, 8 Feb 2020 - 11:36) So likely no course will be offered. Thanks for that , so would you say also not worth mentioning about the incorrect name the notice was sent to? The implication really being you weren't caught doing 34 in a 30 - so why tell an untruth here and if you're sparse with the truth on that really quite insignificant fact, is everything else 100% honest. |
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