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DancingDad
Posted on: Fri, 5 Jan 2024 - 07:27


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Typical FB and mis-information.
In general terms system is similar to parking PCNs.
Initial penalty notice is for full amount but includes an offer to pay at 50% discount within the specified 14 day period.
Nothing doubles if not paid in time though the discount is lost, has same effect in financial terms.

If not paid or challenged within specified 28 day period, TFL can issue a Charge Certificate which increases charge by 50%, ie, £180 becomes £270
If CC not paid, TFL can register the debt with Traffic Enforcement Centre, who act as a County Court.
This automatically leads to Order for Recovery and an Enforcement Warrant being issued, allowing bailiffs to chase the debt and add their costs.

No CCJs
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DancingDad
Posted on: Sun, 17 Dec 2023 - 15:22


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Legal Aid for a minor motoring offence???
They done well to get that.
No doubt their crippling anxiety and Crones will self cure once they avoid a ban.
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DancingDad
Posted on: Mon, 4 Dec 2023 - 14:16


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Signs in place are lawful, prescribed within TSRGD and within guidance such as TSM.
AFAIK, there is no 30m requirement, this you seem to have imported from the recommended distance for Bus Lane lead in warning signs.

It could be argued that the advisory direction sign could be a touch earlier or indeed have an duplicate, earlier on the approach to the junction but that would be down to an adjudicator decision on unclear warning signage.
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DancingDad
Posted on: Wed, 29 Nov 2023 - 11:57


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Doesn't need to be a criminal offence.
The dog caused damage to your property (the cat) and costs were incurred.
There seems to have been negligence involved with the dog not being secured.

That seems to be the basics for a claim.

I assume you have spoken to the dog's owner?
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DancingDad
Posted on: Mon, 27 Nov 2023 - 11:03


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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Mon, 27 Nov 2023 - 08:38) *
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Not the same answer at all, I suggest you read the answer you gave.


Might I suggest that if you want to argue the relative difference, you find someone who cares.
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DancingDad
Posted on: Thu, 23 Nov 2023 - 22:35


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Incandescent has already given the answer which you asked via PM system.
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DancingDad
Posted on: Thu, 23 Nov 2023 - 13:25


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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Thu, 23 Nov 2023 - 11:50) *
I overtake ONLY to get to my destination sooner, ............same basic answer then...

You'd be like the drivers that try and pass me within yards of a junction and can't even get in front before stopping at a queue while still alongside me.

There is saying about 'beyond the end of your nose'.



There ya go with more assumptions, while ignoring the actual distance
All to justify not reading the original post correctly.

There is another saying that seems you ought to be reminded of.
If you are in a hole, stop digging.
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DancingDad
Posted on: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 - 21:59


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QUOTE (666 @ Wed, 22 Nov 2023 - 18:50) *
QUOTE (DancingDad @ Wed, 22 Nov 2023 - 14:13) *
QUOTE (BertB @ Fri, 17 Nov 2023 - 11:06) *
I do not believe they are exempt from normal parking restrictions

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/ulez-camera-van-...parking-ticket/


Being as most Traffic Orders have exemptions for council vehicles undertaking council business the chances are that any PCN will not stick.

The case in the BBC story would fall under footway parking as per S15 Greater London Councils Act 1974.
There's at least two exemptions that may apply.

How is “council” defined in this context? TfL isn’t a council.

TFL are a Highways Authority for GLA roads and a named Organisation for some exemptions to S15 of the 1974 Act

Apologies BTW, I said 1975 Act earlier, should have bin 1974
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DancingDad
Posted on: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 - 21:53


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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Wed, 22 Nov 2023 - 18:10) *
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Please explain why you passed them, what purpose it served.


Please explain why you overtake anyone on the road, your answer is likely to be similar to mine.
Cos they are in front of you, travelling slower then you want to be and it is both safe and legal to overtake?

When you have followed two cyclists for over a mile at relatively slow speed and come to a wide section of road where you can overtake safely, it makes sense to do so.
Even or perhaps especially where there are traffic lights some 400-500 yds ahead.
Or would you suggest that one doesn't overtake as too close to the lights?
And sometimes the lights will be with you when you get there and sometimes they won't.
If they are not and the cyclists squeeze through and reform in front, muttering rude epithets at them and fate and the general state of the world can perhaps be forgiven.
It doesn't make you a bad person or a terrible driver.

Please bear in mind that I said their actions raised the risk of them being banjoed by an irate motorist.
Which it does, some motorists only have to see a flash of lycra to morph into Mr Angry.

Not that I was particularly an irate motorist or am generally.
Or that I had punish passed them, leant out the window swearing loudly or overtaken at all costs having to brake hard cos I was overtaking into the face of red lights.
All of that are your own assumptions and on which you base that I am a terrible driver.
Not having witnessed my driving or the incident in question?


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DancingDad
Posted on: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 - 14:13


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QUOTE (BertB @ Fri, 17 Nov 2023 - 11:06) *
I do not believe they are exempt from normal parking restrictions

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/ulez-camera-van-...parking-ticket/


Being as most Traffic Orders have exemptions for council vehicles undertaking council business the chances are that any PCN will not stick.

The case in the BBC story would fall under footway parking as per S15 Greater London Councils Act 1974.
There's at least two exemptions that may apply.
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DancingDad
Posted on: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 - 14:03


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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Wed, 22 Nov 2023 - 11:02) *
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This, I don't think DD realises it says a lot more about his fitness to drive than he thinks. And if they can pass at the next set of lights why was he passing them at all, they were probably 2 abreast for that very reason (and to give a drive a subtle hint, perhaps he needs something bigger to point out the obvious) but the 'must get past' mentality is obviously strong in this one. Perhaps he should practice what he preaches about thought for other road users?


Oh good.
Let's slag orfe a driver who has the temerity to criticise a pair of cyclists.
And import assumptions into the scenario to justify the critique.

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DancingDad
Posted on: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 - 10:24


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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Wed, 22 Nov 2023 - 09:36) *
.......... Obviously the risks created by a cyclist filtering at sub 10mph are a lot less than when they are passed by a car doing 30+mph...........


When one has patiently driven at 10mph behind two cyclists riding abreast, found a spot to overtake safely, to be caught by lights and have the cyclists drop into single file, filter through it's only a coat of paint spare gap and then form up two abreast again..... the risk of them being punched out for being A***holes is significantly more then if they rode with some thought to other road users. rolleyes.gif
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DancingDad
Posted on: Mon, 20 Nov 2023 - 18:53


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QUOTE (Manx_Tom @ Mon, 20 Nov 2023 - 00:39) *
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I suppose a possible scenario would be car A being closely followed by car B through a box junction. Car A decides to stop to give way to an oncoming emergency vehicle and car B is forced to stop in the yellow box because of stationary vehicle A.


Car A would be stopping for a moving vehicle and not foul of the yellow box regs.
Car B would be stopping due to a stationary vehicle and in contravention.

I was thinking more of scenario where someone had stopped just before entering box, had a set of blue lights come up behind, pulled into box enough to let the emergency vehicle through.
Though it could be argued that should not have entered box it could also be argued that the stop was not due to stationary vehicles.
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DancingDad
Posted on: Sun, 19 Nov 2023 - 18:50


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If driver pulls into yellow box to allow an ambulance to slip past, that driver has committed no offence
Any offence would depend on where they stopped and more importantly why.
There is no specific exemption except for the emergency vehicle
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DancingDad
Posted on: Sun, 12 Nov 2023 - 22:23


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When you a dad and gotta dance, you gotta be a DancingDad.

Appropriate as the normal concept of Dad Dancing is similar to my approach to the things we deal with, it seems right to me even if it does embarrass others
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DancingDad
Posted on: Fri, 10 Nov 2023 - 08:59


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Being fair to Jeffer, it's an error that many if not all of us have made at one time or another.
Changing lane without looking.
Often results in a scare or a blast from a horn.
Sometimes, as here, a shunt.

No point in denying fault given the bus dashcam, accept it, move on and most importantly, learn from it.
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DancingDad
Posted on: Thu, 9 Nov 2023 - 18:04


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QUOTE (666 @ Thu, 9 Nov 2023 - 17:48) *
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That suggests you haven't read the HC in living memory, or at least from the time when a second mirror became compulsory in new cars (1980s?) wink.gif ............


A foul Canard rolleyes.gif

But admit to never picking up the S huh.gif
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DancingDad
Posted on: Thu, 9 Nov 2023 - 17:24


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QUOTE (666 @ Thu, 9 Nov 2023 - 16:32) *
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It's actually "MirrorS etc.", and maybe he forgot the LH one.

Can't say I've ever heard of mirror being in the plural but live and learn.
What is certain is that you are not taught to start to change lanes then look, think ooops and try to get back out of the way of the bus you've just cut up.
Which is what the video seems to show.
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DancingDad
Posted on: Thu, 9 Nov 2023 - 16:04


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Another one for sorry but the video does you no favours.

One very much gets the impression that mirror, signal, manouevre was missing a couple of elements or had them in the wrong order.
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Posted on: Thu, 9 Nov 2023 - 11:41


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QUOTE (Rhothgar_Den_Viking @ Thu, 9 Nov 2023 - 10:01) *
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It's a brilliant spin either way. By extrapolation, you could reasonable come to the conclusion that I wasn't concerned for their safety........


TBH, I would not criticise you if you weren't concerned for their safety.
I am certainly not, being a firm believer that Darwin was right and if people put themselves in harm's way by acting like total twassocks, they deserve all they get.
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DancingDad
Posted on: Tue, 7 Nov 2023 - 15:36


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If CP wants to add something of the nature that posters are generally unqualified, I've no objection.

But Rule 3 seems to cover anyway
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Posted on: Tue, 7 Nov 2023 - 14:03


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QUOTE (Schofeldt @ Tue, 7 Nov 2023 - 11:32) *
..........My point is the name: Free Traffic Legal Advice. ...........


I offer free advice on traffic matters which is of a legal nature?
As do many (all) of the frequent flyers, yourself included.
Name seems apt

I have no legal credentials or qualifications though do have qualifications coming out of my ears in other fields.
If it came down to we have to prove our credentials or scores on the door, TBH I am out of it.


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Posted on: Mon, 6 Nov 2023 - 11:30


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QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Sun, 5 Nov 2023 - 16:49) *
QUOTE (DancingDad @ Sun, 5 Nov 2023 - 16:26) *
QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Sun, 5 Nov 2023 - 15:09) *
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I think you are wrong, yes. I can’t see a way of using a civil court to enforce an order of a criminal court.


In both or simply the debt side?

I can’t see how a civil claim can be started to claim a debt that has already been adjudicated by a court of competent jurisdiction. Equally, I don’t see how an order of a criminal court can be transferred to a civil court for enforcement, absent a statutory power to do so.


I accept that but still cannot believe the court is toothless and no action can be taken.

I used the term contempt of court, again probably incorrectly but as a general concept.
The court issued an order for the guy to pay.
He is ignoring that order, there must be a mechanism that the court can take to enforce?
Or a way of waking up the Fines Office so they refer and not just fob off the OP?
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Posted on: Sun, 5 Nov 2023 - 16:26


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QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Sun, 5 Nov 2023 - 15:09) *
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I think you are wrong, yes. I can’t see a way of using a civil court to enforce an order of a criminal court.


In both or simply the debt side?


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Posted on: Sun, 5 Nov 2023 - 12:31


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QUOTE (MikeyBe @ Sat, 4 Nov 2023 - 21:26) *
Exactly.

I've been warded compensation from the criminal magistrates court. The county court wont make any judgement, so I can't get a CCJ against the guy.


I may be wrong but as it is an outstanding debt that the guy has defaulted on, it should be possible to go via small claims route to get an enforcement??
My other thought is that by ignoring an order to pay from the court, that should be contempt of court but again, the more knowledgeable would need to comment.
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