PePiPoo Helping the motorist get justice

Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

IN/OUT Hokey Cokey Dance - Brexit, Threads merged x5
Lynnzer
post Thu, 18 Feb 2016 - 11:58
Post #1


Member


Group: Members
Posts: 8,295
Joined: 9 Feb 2006
Member No.: 4,813



Emailed to my MP:

Dear Mr Morris.
I am writing to elicit answers on the implications of an exit to the EC, as favoured by some strong minded MP's such as Boris Johnson and Michael Gove.

I give you my own concerns as to the relationship with the EC and would like some feedback as to how you stand on these same issues.

My first point is that if the UK did actually leave the EC what is there to prevent the UK from becoming a member of EFTA to continue a trading relationship with the EC?

With gossip of companies likely to leave their manufacturing plants in the UK (albeit without sufficient evidence to back it up) if we opted to leave the EC, why would an EFTA membership not give assurances that such action wouldn't be necessary?

Nissan, as you know is extremely successful in Washington being Nissan's flagship factory worldwide. Is it likely that they would abandon the UK on Brexit. Is there any positive proof that they would? If there is, have they been considered alongside a potential membership of EFTA? Is there anything at all from Nissan that says either way what their reaction would be to Brexit?

Next is something close to heart for a northern MP. If we were not caught in the trap of EC legislation and could have taken action to subsidise the steel works in Redcar, would we have found ourselves in a situation where not only Redcar is closed but others in Wales are also a victim of the same policy?

How quickly would it be that farming in the UK would stop? We had farming long before the EEC, as it was then, and is it likely that if we left the EC it would all stop?

We know of the internal politics of certain member countries who completely disregard the legislative requirements on farming policy, France. Does that ring a bell?
We pour huge sums of money into farm subsidies (there's that word again. Subsidy, The very thing we couldn't do to assist our steel plants) where the inefficient farms are heavily favoured. See:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/commodi...-of-Europe.html

We also remember when the French burnt our sheep at their ports, refused to take British beef and what did the EC do about that. Answer to that please.

The coastline of our islands are dredged clean of fish. Trawlers operate within casting distance from a competent beach angler. The fishermen come from as far away as Spain and Portugal. The control on fisheries matters has brought the UK's own fishing fleet to a shadow of its former self and destroyed the livelihoods of thousands who are part of the chain.
My question then is this: If we did Brexit, could we take back control of the seas in our Territorial Waters?

Security issues within the ever increasing remit of the EC are questionable.
There is an agenda already made known, of the EC's ambition (nay, intention) to have an EC army.
Could you please explain why such a thing is needed as we are already part of NATO which has a far heavier clout, the USA being a member of it.
Integration of such a diverse army would be at best problematic and at worst completely farcical. Please let me have your thoughts on how a British soldier could find himself being under the control of a Latvian General in a group of mixed ethnic regiments and squadrons with no commonality of ambitions and perhaps even diverse personal interests, be they ethnic of religious.
Is it right that if we allowed Turkey into the EC, as is already planned anyway, then we would have to join together as a European Army to sacrifice our soldiers against a threat to Turkey from, say, Iran? And, to cap it off, what if Israel became a member and found itself under threat from Jordan or Lebanon (who may at some point also be EC members); would we all join with Israel to fight Jordan, or perhaps Palestine?

If a country is already part of NATO would this not be a conflict of interests whereby the NATO executive could just tell us to sod off and do it ourselves as the EC Army?
Take for instance the current situation in Latvia. Link here.
If we had an EC army why would NATO agree to enter into the situation as well since it's an EC "internal affair".

From the impending number of more or less third world countries all lined up for membership of the EC including the very dubiously politically estranged Albania which is still a 3rd world country in terms of political and economic integrity and stability, what can these countries offer the EC that the UK couldn't be party to without membership anyway?
It's obvious that such a country has little to offer but can take an awful lot out of it. How would the UK electorate feel, in your opinion, about heavily subsiding such a country just to increase the membership base?

The Greeks know to their cost that membership of the EC is on an agreed basis that is as solid as quicksand. Take the Shengen Agreement for instance. This gives free access for movement within the EC to member citizens.
It's something we in the UK have problems with anyway as we all know with the immigration problems at Calais, but the Shengen Agreement makes it impossible to prevent control of EC citizens from whichever country they arrive.

That on the face of it is all well and good if the Agreement was equitable to all. It isn't though. Greece has been warned of sanctions for allowing the flood of migrants over its border into other member states. Why? There is no legislative instrument to do this. It's just "convenient at this time" for the EC to break its own rules. The Greek situation is completely out of control and is not a problem that it can solve on its own. Similar problem may well present themselves from Italy as they too are deluged with boat people fleeing Syria. Would it be equitable for the Shengen Agreement they also signed up for to be torn apart?

Why do you think, if you do, that an agreement for the return of our own self limitations on border control won't also be torn apart at some later date when it becomes convenient to the EC executive?

What legitimacy is there to an organisation that has consistently failed to have its accounts accepted; in fact it has never had them properly audited. If there is no transparency on this why would we wish to believe that the organisation is not rife with corruption in some form or other, fiddled expenses and illicit financial transactions?

When will we be able to vote for the non elected commissioners and the Vice President so that we, as a nation, get a say on who runs the ship?
Why should we be at the mercy of appointees instead of having a vote to say who gets a job.

How long do you think it will take for the disbandment of the legislative powers of the UK Parliament where the EC have taken control of the lawmaking powers entirely leaving us as just a government that can only act "on behalf of" the EC?
From Wikipedia: The doctrine of the supremacy (sometimes referred to as primacy) of EU law is a principle that when there is conflict between European law and the law of Member States, European law prevails; Full article here.

Please complete the quiz on the attached link and let me know your result.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics...ade-up-law.html
NB: Worthwhile for everyone to do this. Just to show I'm not a complete dummy I actually got 3 right.

Finally, do you feel British or European?

Thank you in advance of your response.

This post has been edited by Lynnzer: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 - 12:27


--------------------
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
41 Pages V  « < 39 40 41  
Start new topic
Replies (800 - 805)
Advertisement
post Thu, 18 Feb 2016 - 11:58
Post #


Advertise here!









Go to the top of the page
 
Quote Post
Churchmouse
post Tue, 14 May 2019 - 16:36
Post #801


Member


Group: Members
Posts: 2,350
Joined: 30 Jun 2008
From: Landan
Member No.: 20,731



QUOTE (666 @ Tue, 14 May 2019 - 16:32) *
QUOTE (henrik777 @ Tue, 14 May 2019 - 14:27) *
QUOTE (666 @ Tue, 14 May 2019 - 14:04) *
QUOTE (henrik777 @ Tue, 14 May 2019 - 11:33) *
QUOTE (oldstoat @ Tue, 14 May 2019 - 08:08) *
We are not out not not jut because of the ERG and DUP, its also Labour



The Tories paid a lot of money to DUP to form a majority government. If the government votes as one then there is nothing Labour could do.

But the DUP are never going to vote for the "backstop".


Not sure what that has to do with the point i raised huh.gif

"If the government votes as one ...". They aren't going to, so long as the Irish backstop is part of the deal.

What were they paid for, then?

--Churchmouse
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
henrik777
post Tue, 14 May 2019 - 17:00
Post #802


Member


Group: Members
Posts: 1,808
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Member No.: 24,123



QUOTE (666 @ Tue, 14 May 2019 - 16:32) *
QUOTE (henrik777 @ Tue, 14 May 2019 - 14:27) *
QUOTE (666 @ Tue, 14 May 2019 - 14:04) *
QUOTE (henrik777 @ Tue, 14 May 2019 - 11:33) *
QUOTE (oldstoat @ Tue, 14 May 2019 - 08:08) *
We are not out not not jut because of the ERG and DUP, its also Labour



The Tories paid a lot of money to DUP to form a majority government. If the government votes as one then there is nothing Labour could do.

But the DUP are never going to vote for the "backstop".


Not sure what that has to do with the point i raised huh.gif

"If the government votes as one ...". They aren't going to, so long as the Irish backstop is part of the deal.


Well i'm sure if that's pointed out to the opposition they'll stop opposing. rolleyes.gif
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
southpaw82
post Tue, 14 May 2019 - 17:23
Post #803


Member


Group: Members
Posts: 29,797
Joined: 2 Apr 2008
From: Not in the UK
Member No.: 18,483



QUOTE (Churchmouse @ Tue, 14 May 2019 - 17:36) *
What were they paid for, then?

--Churchmouse

Confidence and supply wasn’t it?


--------------------
Moderator

Any comments made do not constitute legal advice and should not be relied upon. No lawyer/client relationship should be assumed nor should any duty of care be owed.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
andy_foster
post Mon, 20 May 2019 - 21:33
Post #804


Member
Group Icon

Group: Life Member
Posts: 20,596
Joined: 9 Sep 2004
From: Reading
Member No.: 1,624



Apparently the solution to the generational divide caused by Brexit is to charge shoppers 1p to use self checkout machines in supermarkets.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-...exit-divisions/

This post has been edited by andy_foster: Mon, 20 May 2019 - 21:34


--------------------
Andy

"Whatever the intention of Parliament was, or was not, the law is quite clear." - The Rookie
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
The Rookie
post Tue, 21 May 2019 - 07:33
Post #805


Member


Group: Members
Posts: 41,596
Joined: 9 Sep 2003
From: Warwickshire
Member No.: 317



QUOTE (andy_foster @ Mon, 20 May 2019 - 22:33) *
Apparently the solution to the generational divide caused by Brexit is to charge shoppers 1p to use self checkout machines in supermarkets.

Just when you thought our elected representatives couldn't plumb new depths of stupidity they set out to prove you wrong!


--------------------
There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!

S172's
Rookies 1-0 Kent

Council PCN's
Rookies 1-0 Warwick
Rookies 1-0 Birmingham

PPC PCN's
Rookies 8-0 PPC's
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
cp8759
post Tue, 21 May 2019 - 18:35
Post #806


Member


Group: Members
Posts: 11,227
Joined: 3 Dec 2010
Member No.: 42,618



QUOTE (andy_foster @ Mon, 20 May 2019 - 22:33) *
Apparently the solution to the generational divide caused by Brexit is to charge shoppers 1p to use self checkout machines in supermarkets.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-...exit-divisions/

On Chuka Umunna could come up with this BS. Thankfully he's only an MP until the next election.


--------------------
I am not on the "motorists's side", nor am I on the "police/CPS/council's" side, I am simply in favour of the rule of law.
No, I am not a lawyer.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

41 Pages V  « < 39 40 41
Reply to this topicStart new topic
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 



Advertisement

Advertise here!

RSS Lo-Fi Version Time is now: Wednesday, 26th June 2019 - 15:04
Pepipoo uses cookies. You can find details of the cookies we use here along with links to information on how to manage them.
Please click the button to accept our cookies and hide this message. We’ll also assume that you’re happy to accept them if you continue to use the site.