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blackdouglas
post Fri, 14 Oct 2005 - 22:01
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Good evening,

Looks like we'll all be buying a copy of the DAILY MAIL tomorrow. The FRONT PAGE has the headline "Great Speed Gun Scandal" - as shown just now on the ITV News review of tomorrows papers.

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post Mon, 24 Oct 2005 - 14:50
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The Speedmeter Handbook has absolutely NOTHING to do with it.


I beg to differ, products approved under the 4th edition will have a "contract" signed that only says that the company must provide expert witness support - it says nothing about "for free" They've clearly learnt their lessons.....

However I don't disagree with you about that it is plainly wrong, which is why i'm shortly going to upset a few people at the home office (again)  :wink:


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post Tue, 25 Oct 2005 - 09:58
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I beg to differ, products approved under the 4th edition will have a "contract" signed that only says that the company must provide expert witness support - it says nothing about "for free" They've clearly learnt their lessons.....


Hi Insider,

I think I'm with you now. I think we got our wires crossed.

What you are saying is that agreements and testing are done in accordance with the current (at the time) version of the Speed Meter Handbook.

I agree with that.

However, what I was saying is that "legally" the agreement is standalone from the Speedmeter Handbook, unless it specificially refers to it. The parties to the contract are free to add additional clauses over and above the minimum standard laid down by the handbook.

What I was saying is that once those agreements are signed, the Handbook pretty much becomes irrelevant. The Handbook is not a legally binding contract because the two parties have not signed it. The agreement on the other hand is, because they have.

What you are saying, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that the agreements are driven by what the Handbook says in the first place.

So if I've got this right I don't think we really disagree, we've just got our wires crossed a little.
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post Tue, 25 Oct 2005 - 17:24
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What you are saying, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that the agreements are driven by what the Handbook says in the first place.

So if I've got this right I don't think we really disagree, we've just got our wires crossed a little.


Aye  :wink:

That's it in a nutshell biggrin.gif


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post Tue, 25 Oct 2005 - 19:19
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love3.gif  Good to have that one sorted!


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post Thu, 10 Nov 2005 - 14:44
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[quote="Clear Skies"][quote=Mika][quote=g_attrill]Courtesy Sky News:

The crystal ball predicts the largest civil litigation for damages, in British motoring history. :wink:

Mendacious individuals always get found out in the end.[/quote]

if there really is going to be a court case for damages , then all of the various councils/partnerhsips, MUST  reserve their rights to claim against the importer  now .. failure to do so MIGHT  result in the company being cleaned out of funds and turning up it's toes when the first claim comes  in.. thus protecting the USA producer.

Then the ratepayer has to pay all the bills whilst the link with the producer has been lost..


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SNIPER/SHELBY ..  make your selves  usefull,  suggest  the claim for your partnership is lodged now.. PDQ
IF U dont... The angry rate payers will  hold u  liable for not looking after tax payers fund.. gross negligence or similar.. who knows..[/quote]


I think the way to to sue is under the term "joining" therefore the Civil case would be against all parties including the manufacturer, this would force the CPS/Partnership etc to make subsequent claim against the manufacturer if the court found it the main culprite!

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post Thu, 10 Nov 2005 - 14:51
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I think the way to to sue is under the term "joining" therefore the Civil case would be against all parties including the manufacturer, this would force the CPS/Partnership etc to make subsequent claim against the manufacturer if the court found it the main culprite!

TomP

thankyou kindly, at least u can answer a question the acpo  are unable to..

I asked every cc in the uk, as it's surely an issue local people need to know.. I.E. are we going to have to pay more rates, or more tax ,  if any piece of equipment used is wrong and there is a huge payback as in Australia.  

The acpo said, it's hypothetical and instructed all the cc's not to answer..The mind boggles, at such severe, almost devine , intervention on what is a fair question.

Tom P for CC  :lol:

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post Thu, 8 Dec 2005 - 18:58
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re vamp of uk articles, publishe din the usa..

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/07/713.asp

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QUOTE (Insider @ Mon, 24 Oct 2005 - 14:50) *
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The Speedmeter Handbook has absolutely NOTHING to do with it.


I beg to differ, products approved under the 4th edition will have a "contract" signed that only says that the company must provide expert witness support - it says nothing about "for free" They've clearly learnt their lessons.....

However I don't disagree with you about that it is plainly wrong, which is why i'm shortly going to upset a few people at the home office (again)  icon_wink.gif



maybe they changed the rules in the 4th edition and set the chap up who ended up having to pay
4 grand costs this week.

when were the rules changed before or after he started his case, if after , a note to his solicitor may assist him .

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post Tue, 21 Nov 2006 - 00:22
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QUOTE (anton @ Sun, 16 Oct 2005 - 22:10) *
One thing that has come out is that you can get a reflected speed. We have been concentrating on slip error, but when a LTI20/20 is pointed at an angle on to a shiny car or even hits some chrome. you can get a speed reading from another car.

This is not an insignificant discovery as I am sure it affects all laser devices.


This is called a "specular reflection". ALL laser based devices will be susceptible to them. All it takes is to hit a mirror-like surface. E.G. chrome trim, glass (if hit at a shallow angle), gloss paint (if hit at a shallow angle), or a wing mirror at any angle.

Look at any car under bright, low-in-the-sky sunlight. Walk around it. You will soon see which bits create specular reflections and at what angles.

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