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post Sat, 7 Dec 2019 - 14:31
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QUOTE (Fredd @ Wed, 4 Dec 2019 - 13:20) *
QUOTE (baroudeur @ Wed, 4 Dec 2019 - 12:38) *
Edit: List of 44 forces on NDORS scheme here but I believe there are 47 police forces.

There are 49 UK police forces. The ones missing from your list are (on the assumption that "London" in the NDORS list refers to both the Metropolitan Police Service and City of London Police, which I believe both offer NDORS courses):

British Transport Police
Civil Nuclear Constabulary
Ministry of Defence Police
National Police Air Service

No, there's around 70, you've missed out:

Belfast Harbour Police
Belfast International Airport Constabulary
Cambridge University Constabulary
Canterbury Cathedral Close Constables
Chester Cathedral Constables
Epping Forest Keepers
Falmouth Docks Police
Hampstead Heath Constabulary
Hillingdon Parks Patrol Service
Kew Constabulary
Liverpool Cathedral Constables
Mersey Tunnels Police
Northern Ireland Security Guard Service
Port of Bristol Police
Port of Dover Police
Port of Felixstowe Police
Port of Liverpool Police
Port of Portland Police
Port of Tilbury Police
Tees and Hartlepool Harbour Police
Wandsworth Parks and Events Police
York Minster Police


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Yawn. Clearly I wasn't talking about the dog wardens of the policing world, but proper Home Office forces.


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QUOTE (Fredd @ Sat, 7 Dec 2019 - 14:35) *
Yawn. Clearly I wasn't talking about the dog wardens of the policing world, but proper Home Office forces.

None of the forces you specifically mention are Home Office forces?

This guy doesn't look like a dog warden? https://www.belfast-harbour.co.uk/harbour-e...d-policing-team

Aside from the fact that all the forces I mention are comprised of warranted constables with full powers of arrest and police uniforms that make them almost indistinguishable from a territorial force (some even carry firearms), it is clearly relevant that some of these forces enforce road traffic legislation, such as Mersey Tunnels Police, all the Ports forces and even the Wandsworth Parks and Events Police.


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post Sat, 7 Dec 2019 - 17:43
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Many of those may be police units, but they are not called forces, at least nowhere that I can find (official) does it call them a force.

Gov.uk shows ‘44 police forces’ for England and Wales, there is then PSNI and PS which are I believe now the only forces in those areas.


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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Sat, 7 Dec 2019 - 17:43) *
Many of those may be police units, but they are not called forces, at least nowhere that I can find (official) does it call them a force.

Assuming by unit you mean the sub-division of a police force (which is synonymous to a police constabulary), then no, they're all police forces in their own right.

But if something official would illustrate the point, take for example https://www.bristolport.co.uk/about-us/port-bristol-police

The Port of Bristol Police is a non Home Office force of uniformed, warranted constables dedicated to protecting the port complexes and community situated at the mouth of the River Avon on the border between Bristol and Somerset. Officers are sworn under the Harbours, Docks and Piers Clauses Act 1847.

https://www.doverport.co.uk/about/police/

The Port of Dover Police is an independent police force that is entirely
privately funded by the Port of Dover.


I'm sure there's more examples but I think I've made the point.


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post Sat, 7 Dec 2019 - 19:16
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QUOTE (Fredd @ Sat, 7 Dec 2019 - 14:35) *
Yawn. Clearly I wasn't talking about the dog wardens of the policing world, but proper Home Office forces.

Perhaps of some relevance to the original discussion is how many of the non-Home Office forces/services/groups of plastic police participate in NDORS? Otherwise, the fact that Mersey Docks has constables is somewhat irrelevant.

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QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Sat, 7 Dec 2019 - 19:16) *
Perhaps of some relevance to the original discussion is how many of the non-Home Office forces/services/groups of plastic police participate in NDORS? Otherwise, the fact that Mersey Docks has constables is somewhat irrelevant.

I don't know, I imagine the Mersey Tunnels Police may well do as they do speed enforcement. Equally, it is somewhat doubtful that the Civil Nuclear Constabulary, the Ministry of Defence Police or the National Police Air Service would participate.


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I’ll take the ONS.....you can add PS and PSNI.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/po...s-31-march-2019

I just used unit as a convenient collective noun to replace force for what the government doesn’t seem to think is a force.

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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Sun, 8 Dec 2019 - 00:13) *
I just used unit as a convenient collective noun to replace force for what the government doesn’t seem to think is a force.

What the government thinks is irrelevant, what counts is whether there is an organisation of warranted constables who have been attested either at common law or under an Act of Parliament. The fact that for statistical purposes the government only looks at the territorial forces + BTP doesn't really change that.


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