Police forces - Split from hijacked thread |
Police forces - Split from hijacked thread |
Sat, 7 Dec 2019 - 14:31
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Edit: List of 44 forces on NDORS scheme here but I believe there are 47 police forces. There are 49 UK police forces. The ones missing from your list are (on the assumption that "London" in the NDORS list refers to both the Metropolitan Police Service and City of London Police, which I believe both offer NDORS courses): British Transport Police Civil Nuclear Constabulary Ministry of Defence Police National Police Air Service No, there's around 70, you've missed out: Belfast Harbour Police Belfast International Airport Constabulary Cambridge University Constabulary Canterbury Cathedral Close Constables Chester Cathedral Constables Epping Forest Keepers Falmouth Docks Police Hampstead Heath Constabulary Hillingdon Parks Patrol Service Kew Constabulary Liverpool Cathedral Constables Mersey Tunnels Police Northern Ireland Security Guard Service Port of Bristol Police Port of Dover Police Port of Felixstowe Police Port of Liverpool Police Port of Portland Police Port of Tilbury Police Tees and Hartlepool Harbour Police Wandsworth Parks and Events Police York Minster Police -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Sat, 7 Dec 2019 - 14:35
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Yawn. Clearly I wasn't talking about the dog wardens of the policing world, but proper Home Office forces.
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Sat, 7 Dec 2019 - 14:59
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Yawn. Clearly I wasn't talking about the dog wardens of the policing world, but proper Home Office forces. None of the forces you specifically mention are Home Office forces? This guy doesn't look like a dog warden? https://www.belfast-harbour.co.uk/harbour-e...d-policing-team Aside from the fact that all the forces I mention are comprised of warranted constables with full powers of arrest and police uniforms that make them almost indistinguishable from a territorial force (some even carry firearms), it is clearly relevant that some of these forces enforce road traffic legislation, such as Mersey Tunnels Police, all the Ports forces and even the Wandsworth Parks and Events Police. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Sat, 7 Dec 2019 - 17:43
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,198 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
Many of those may be police units, but they are not called forces, at least nowhere that I can find (official) does it call them a force.
Gov.uk shows ‘44 police forces’ for England and Wales, there is then PSNI and PS which are I believe now the only forces in those areas. -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Sat, 7 Dec 2019 - 18:14
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Many of those may be police units, but they are not called forces, at least nowhere that I can find (official) does it call them a force. Assuming by unit you mean the sub-division of a police force (which is synonymous to a police constabulary), then no, they're all police forces in their own right. But if something official would illustrate the point, take for example https://www.bristolport.co.uk/about-us/port-bristol-police The Port of Bristol Police is a non Home Office force of uniformed, warranted constables dedicated to protecting the port complexes and community situated at the mouth of the River Avon on the border between Bristol and Somerset. Officers are sworn under the Harbours, Docks and Piers Clauses Act 1847. https://www.doverport.co.uk/about/police/ The Port of Dover Police is an independent police force that is entirely privately funded by the Port of Dover. I'm sure there's more examples but I think I've made the point. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Sat, 7 Dec 2019 - 19:16
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Yawn. Clearly I wasn't talking about the dog wardens of the policing world, but proper Home Office forces. Perhaps of some relevance to the original discussion is how many of the non-Home Office forces/services/groups of plastic police participate in NDORS? Otherwise, the fact that Mersey Docks has constables is somewhat irrelevant. This post has been edited by southpaw82: Sat, 7 Dec 2019 - 19:23 -------------------- Moderator
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Sat, 7 Dec 2019 - 19:36
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Perhaps of some relevance to the original discussion is how many of the non-Home Office forces/services/groups of plastic police participate in NDORS? Otherwise, the fact that Mersey Docks has constables is somewhat irrelevant. I don't know, I imagine the Mersey Tunnels Police may well do as they do speed enforcement. Equally, it is somewhat doubtful that the Civil Nuclear Constabulary, the Ministry of Defence Police or the National Police Air Service would participate. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Sun, 8 Dec 2019 - 00:13
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,198 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
I’ll take the ONS.....you can add PS and PSNI.
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/po...s-31-march-2019 I just used unit as a convenient collective noun to replace force for what the government doesn’t seem to think is a force. This post has been edited by The Rookie: Sun, 8 Dec 2019 - 05:07 -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Sun, 8 Dec 2019 - 12:22
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I just used unit as a convenient collective noun to replace force for what the government doesn’t seem to think is a force. What the government thinks is irrelevant, what counts is whether there is an organisation of warranted constables who have been attested either at common law or under an Act of Parliament. The fact that for statistical purposes the government only looks at the territorial forces + BTP doesn't really change that. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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