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Bus Lane PCN - Wish to Challenge, Video / Images / PCN attached
Lixhul
post Thu, 19 Sep 2019 - 10:41
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Hi guys,

Just received a PCN by Hull City Council today for apparently using a bus lane. It was pitch black and I am not from Hull, but images appear to kind of show I was using one. I have attached what I received (images are really hard to work out).

I wish to challenge this and would appreciate any help towards this matter. Thanks.

https://ibb.co/cYg38q0
https://ibb.co/C5ZHz2r
https://ibb.co/Tgn6vkn

Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TRPqsTjoBQ...eature=youtu.be

Street view:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Carr+Ln,+...33;4d-0.3399097

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post Thu, 19 Sep 2019 - 10:50
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Is the video available? If so post it on Youtube, Imgur or such like.

Also give us a google street view link to location.
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cp8759
post Thu, 19 Sep 2019 - 17:10
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You must get hold of the video, it'll be on the council website.


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post Thu, 19 Sep 2019 - 18:11
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https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.7435716,-...3312!8i6656

We must see the video. That there is no advanced warning may give you an argument


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Lixhul
post Thu, 19 Sep 2019 - 20:20
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Thanks for replies guys will see if there is a video and I'll try to host that.

Downloaded the video just finding an upload place now. I believe the street was here:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Carr+Ln,+...33;4d-0.3399097

It seems about right but I am not 100% certain, it was 10pm, dark, and I am not from Hull.

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Lixhul
post Thu, 19 Sep 2019 - 20:48
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Okay guys uploaded the video here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TRPqsTjoBQ...eature=youtu.be

Ha, funnily enough there is a cop car in front of me using the lane. I must have seen that thinking it's fine to go down this way as I am not around here.

Let me know what you think guys, worth challenging?
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post Thu, 19 Sep 2019 - 21:57
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So from the other end, where did you come from on Queens dock rd . There is access onto the top end of Carr lane from there. Albeit you would pass a no entry. If the council cannot show you passed a sign they cannot enforce there should have been a sign at New cross st


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post Thu, 19 Sep 2019 - 23:44
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QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Thu, 19 Sep 2019 - 22:57) *
So from the other end, where did you come from on Queens dock rd . There is access onto the top end of Carr lane from there. Albeit you would pass a no entry. If the council cannot show you passed a sign they cannot enforce there should have been a sign at New cross st


I'm honestly not sure, I only know what the video shows. I think it's worth a go on the grounds of inadequate signage and perhaps how dark it was? What about the cop car I was following?

Is there some sort of template I can just use or should I just write from scratch?

Many thanks.
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post Fri, 20 Sep 2019 - 11:47
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If your driving towards the signs in the GSV you must have come from the other end. If you are not sure how can we be. If you challenge that you did not see signs put the council to proof that that first you were in a bus gate second it was signed appropriately and third that that signage was illuminated

No template but post your draft here first for review


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post Fri, 20 Sep 2019 - 17:42
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Well you could have entered here https://www.google.com/maps/@53.7439425,-0....3312!8i6656

To be honest I struggle to see what other direction you could have come from.

However the council video does not show a contravention, so all you need to do is challenge the penalty on the basis that the alleged contravention did not occur.


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Lixhul
post Fri, 27 Sep 2019 - 19:43
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Thanks guys, I will challenge it based on proof of the contravention.

Dear "?"

I wish to challenge the PCN I received on the [date] for reason of the alleged contravention did not occur to my knowledge. The video does not show proper signage and in fact shows that I was driving from the opposite ends of the signage, meaning I could not see them until I drove past them. I do not see proof of myself using a bus gate and that at any time it was signaged properly for me to know, or that it was illuminated appropriately during the dark where the alleged contravention occurred.

I am not from Hull and do not know the roads, and to my knowledge I did not commit this alleged contravention. I wish to appeal the PCN on this basis.

Best regards.

Something along these lines is okay?

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post Sat, 28 Sep 2019 - 15:26
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Revised draft:

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Dear Kingston upon Hull City Council,

I wish to challenge the PCN I received on the [date] because the alleged contravention did not occur. The video shows my vehicle driving along an apparently unrestricted length of road, I acknowledge there is a bus gate restricting traffic from travelling in the opposite direction, but that restriction did not apply to me given my direction of travel and no signage visible to me indicated a bus gate restriction. For this reason, the PCN must be cancelled.

Yours faithfully,


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Lixhul
post Mon, 30 Sep 2019 - 22:20
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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Sat, 28 Sep 2019 - 16:26) *
Revised draft:

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Dear Kingston upon Hull City Council,

I wish to challenge the PCN I received on the [date] because the alleged contravention did not occur. The video shows my vehicle driving along an apparently unrestricted length of road, I acknowledge there is a bus gate restricting traffic from travelling in the opposite direction, but that restriction did not apply to me given my direction of travel and no signage visible to me indicated a bus gate restriction. For this reason, the PCN must be cancelled.

Yours faithfully,


Thanks man, I'll use this.
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