[NIP Wizard] NIP 15 days after offence |
[NIP Wizard] NIP 15 days after offence |
Fri, 5 Jan 2018 - 15:31
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 2 Joined: 5 Jan 2018 Member No.: 95,799 |
NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? - Date of the offence: - December 2017 Date of the NIP: - 14 days after the offence Date you received the NIP: - 15 days after the offence Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - A140 Colman rd Norwich Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - Not known If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? - How many current points do you have? - 0 Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - I was according to camera doing 35mph in 30mph & saw the flash so not disputing that but received NIP after 15 days. NIP Wizard Responses These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation: Have you received a NIP? - Yes Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - Yes Did the first NIP arrive within 14 days? - No Was there a valid reason for the NIP's late arrival? - Unsure Although you are the Registered Keeper, were you also the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes Were you driving? - Yes Which country did the alleged offence take place in? - England NIP Wizard Recommendation Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:
Generated by the PePiPoo NIP Wizard v3.3.2: Fri, 05 Jan 2018 15:31:47 +0000 |
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Fri, 5 Jan 2018 - 15:53
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Member Group: Members Posts: 41,505 Joined: 25 Aug 2011 From: Planet Earth Member No.: 49,223 |
Have you moved/changed vehicle recently? Do you have the v5 to hand?
What was the date of the offence and the date of the letter? (Xmas post?) -------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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Fri, 5 Jan 2018 - 15:54
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Member Group: Members Posts: 3,300 Joined: 17 Jun 2011 Member No.: 47,602 |
Is the V5C (log book) in your possession?
Is the address on it correct, and the same as the NIP? Any change of address in the recent past? |
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Fri, 5 Jan 2018 - 15:55
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Member Group: Members Posts: 41,505 Joined: 25 Aug 2011 From: Planet Earth Member No.: 49,223 |
Date of the NIP: - 14 days after the offence This seems to imply it wasn't the 1st NIP. If it was the first and dated 14 days after then there's no possible way it would have arrived in time. However, the driver nomination has to be satisfied regardless. -------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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Fri, 5 Jan 2018 - 19:02
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 2 Joined: 5 Jan 2018 Member No.: 95,799 |
I am the keeper & have V5. The offence was on 21/12/2017, the NIP arrived today 05/01/2018, the date on the NIP was 04/01/2018
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Fri, 5 Jan 2018 - 19:11
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Member Group: Members Posts: 13,735 Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Member No.: 14,720 |
I am the keeper & have V5. The offence was on 21/12/2017, the NIP arrived today 05/01/2018, the date on the NIP was 04/01/2018 And what is the DOC REF DATE on page 2 of the V5C? This post has been edited by peterguk: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 - 19:12 -------------------- |
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Fri, 5 Jan 2018 - 19:18
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Member Group: Members Posts: 6,723 Joined: 3 Apr 2006 From: North Hampshire Member No.: 5,183 |
There is almost no chance that a NIP posted after 14 days will be the first one, first one must have gone somewhere else first.
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Fri, 5 Jan 2018 - 19:40
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Member Group: Members Posts: 13,572 Joined: 28 Mar 2010 Member No.: 36,528 |
There is almost no chance that a NIP posted after 14 days will be the first one, first one must have gone somewhere else first. Under normal circumstances that would be correct, but unless it was posted the day after the offence date it would not be posted until after Christmas. Systems go to pot over the extended Christmas/New Year period we now have, and although it is likely this was not the first NIP, it may have been. -------------------- |
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Fri, 5 Jan 2018 - 20:07
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Webmaster Group: Root Admin Posts: 8,205 Joined: 30 Mar 2003 From: Wokingham, UK Member No.: 2 |
There is almost no chance that a NIP posted after 14 days will be the first one, first one must have gone somewhere else first. Because the camera partnerships are infallible? It's not helpful to the OP to state as fact things that you can't be certain of. -------------------- Regards,
Fredd __________________________________________________________________________
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Fri, 5 Jan 2018 - 20:41
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Member Group: Members Posts: 6,723 Joined: 3 Apr 2006 From: North Hampshire Member No.: 5,183 |
There is almost no chance that a NIP posted after 14 days will be the first one, first one must have gone somewhere else first. Because the camera partnerships are infallible? It's not helpful to the OP to state as fact things that you can't be certain of. That's why I used "almost", it's not certain. |
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Fri, 5 Jan 2018 - 20:46
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Member Group: Members Posts: 33,610 Joined: 2 Apr 2008 From: Not in the UK Member No.: 18,483 |
There is almost no chance that a NIP posted after 14 days will be the first one, first one must have gone somewhere else first. Because the camera partnerships are infallible? It's not helpful to the OP to state as fact things that you can't be certain of. That's why I used "almost", it's not certain. You said there was "almost" no chance the NIP posted after 14 days will be the first one (albeit the one in the OP wasn’t posted after 14 days), you then said that the first one "must" have gone somewhere else first - an assertion of fact. -------------------- Moderator
Any comments made do not constitute legal advice and should not be relied upon. No lawyer/client relationship should be assumed nor should any duty of care be owed. |
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Sat, 6 Jan 2018 - 10:12
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Member Group: Members Posts: 2,356 Joined: 30 Jun 2008 From: Landan Member No.: 20,731 |
The week before Christmas should be officially celebrated as NIP-Avoidance Week...
--Churchmouse |
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Sat, 6 Jan 2018 - 14:13
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Member Group: Members Posts: 784 Joined: 9 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,764 |
The thing is, that the PentiP software used by all police forces for the issue of the NIP actually will not print out a NIP if the offence date is 14 days ago due to a pre-set parameter.
Which is a pain in the butt if there is a legitimate reason for the NIP going out after 14 days when a workaround has to be put in place. So in Baggie Boys defence he was half right. |
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Sat, 6 Jan 2018 - 14:51
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Member Group: Members Posts: 4,746 Joined: 29 Oct 2008 Member No.: 23,623 |
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Sat, 6 Jan 2018 - 15:00
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Member Group: Members Posts: 13,735 Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Member No.: 14,720 |
The thing is, that the PentiP software used by all police forces for the issue of the NIP actually will not print out a NIP if the offence date is 14 days ago due to a pre-set parameter. How do they issue second or subsequent NIPs then? I assume that if a first NIP was raised, then subsequent NIPs can be raised too. -------------------- |
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Sat, 6 Jan 2018 - 15:06
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Member Group: Members Posts: 4,746 Joined: 29 Oct 2008 Member No.: 23,623 |
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Sat, 6 Jan 2018 - 18:18
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Member Group: Members Posts: 604 Joined: 12 Oct 2009 Member No.: 32,760 |
The thing is, that the PentiP software used by all police forces for the issue of the NIP actually will not print out a NIP if the offence date is 14 days ago due to a pre-set parameter. 14 days ago, or over 14 days? If it is on day 14, then couldn't it still be correctly served by hand? |
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Sat, 6 Jan 2018 - 18:20
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Member Group: Members Posts: 13,735 Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Member No.: 14,720 |
The thing is, that the PentiP software used by all police forces for the issue of the NIP actually will not print out a NIP if the offence date is 14 days ago due to a pre-set parameter. 14 days ago, or over 14 days? If it is on day 14, then couldn't it still be correctly served by hand? Does the law allow for service of NIP and S.172 by hand? -------------------- |
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Sat, 6 Jan 2018 - 18:30
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Member Group: Members Posts: 604 Joined: 12 Oct 2009 Member No.: 32,760 |
QUOTE A notice required by this section to be served on any person may be served on that person— (a)by delivering it to him; (b)by addressing it to him and leaving it at his last known address; or © by sending it by registered post, recorded delivery service or first class post addressed to him at his last known address. Any S.172 request could always be served later. This post has been edited by big_mac: Sat, 6 Jan 2018 - 18:32 |
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Sat, 6 Jan 2018 - 18:31
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Member Group: Members Posts: 13,735 Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Member No.: 14,720 |
QUOTE A notice required by this section to be served on any person may be served on that person— (a)by delivering it to him; (b)by addressing it to him and leaving it at his last known address; or ©by sending it by registered post, recorded delivery service or first class post addressed to him at his last known address. And the S.172? -------------------- |
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