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ronnie ring ding
post Sat, 26 May 2018 - 11:17
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Driver parked in car park on said date believing a virtual permit was in force.
Was the drivers first day working at said hospital. Car park is shared by staff and patients.
Driver parks in the same car park now with a windscreen permit.
The NTD was binned by the driver.
No mention of POFA on the NTK.
To late to appeal to Open Parking.
Can still appeal to the IPC. No point in doing that.
I think the driver should get the employer to get the ticket cancelled.
The driver just wants to ignore it.

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post Sat, 26 May 2018 - 11:26
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Get the employer to cancel (try the Facilities Manager). If the RK is a TU member, get them involved too. Other than that, it's ignore everything short of receipt of a LBC or MCOL, neither of which should be ignored.
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ronnie ring ding
post Fri, 22 Jun 2018 - 18:06
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Ok , update on this. A virtual permit was in force for this and can be proved so this is not an issue anymore and will be sorted Monday.
The keeper received another letter today 60 days after the parking event.
Can they now invoke POFA this late in to the proceedings?
Just curious.

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post Fri, 22 Jun 2018 - 18:20
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QUOTE (ronnie ring ding @ Fri, 22 Jun 2018 - 19:06) *
Can they now invoke POFA this late in to the proceedings?

The original NtK had the 'Please be warned...' text. I haven't checked if all the conditions are met but they don't have to mention PoFA by name.

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RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution
PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request

Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it.
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post Fri, 22 Jun 2018 - 18:21
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The Notice to Keeper arrived between 28 to 56 days after the parking event
This is just a reminder

Open Parking is a trading name of Imperial Civil Enforcement Solutions
You would think that a company that has been in existence for more than 30 years would know about the requirement to disclose its identity on invoices

Strange company
Its business is providing systems and software to the parking industry
According to their October accounts, they have £3m+ in the bank but there looks like a large fall in their activities

Wonder if business is on the slide so they've decided to compete with their former customers

I would file and ignore; wait for a Letter Before Action to arrive before replying that the driver had a permit
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post Wed, 29 Aug 2018 - 19:45
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Just an update ,East kent hospitals cant/wont cancel the PCN , it must be done through Open Parking.
Some time back i contacted open parking on the drivers behalf using the Open parking webform asking them to recheck if a valid virtual permit was in force.
They told me they couldn't discuss it with a third party. Blah Blah.
It appears they have now assigned the debt to me.
I now have a letter from ZZPS addressed to me claiming i owe them £95.
How many begging letters will i get? Who begs for money after ZZPS?
Will i gat a LBA? i dont think so.
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post Wed, 29 Aug 2018 - 20:23
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Just carry on ignoring.
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post Wed, 29 Aug 2018 - 23:44
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QUOTE (ronnie ring ding @ Wed, 29 Aug 2018 - 20:45) *
It appears they have now assigned the debt to me.

Not that is it necessarily relevant here, but just in case: I haven't seen such a blatant misquotation of POFA for some time. There is no "28 day limit" for identification of the driver; it need only occur prior to the PPC's initiation of court proceedings.

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post Thu, 6 Sep 2018 - 21:23
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Just an update.
Letter from QDR Solicitors today saying ZZPS have instructed them to recover the debt.
Letter quotes a different PCN number, date and event from any paperwork recieved from Open Parking or ZZPS.
Ignore mode is still operating.
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post Fri, 7 Sep 2018 - 07:34
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I would make a Subject Access Request to Open Parking

This will tell you if there are two PCNs in play or if ZZPS has sent the wrong details to QDR
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post Fri, 7 Sep 2018 - 08:38
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The Creditor is Open Parking, so on what basis would their "debt collectors", ZZPS, be taking "legal action" against the OP? ZZPS doesn't even have an imaginary contract with the OP. Their whole approach makes no sense.

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post Fri, 7 Sep 2018 - 08:47
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QUOTE (Churchmouse @ Fri, 7 Sep 2018 - 09:38) *
ZZPS doesn't even have an imaginary contract with the OP.


No, but they've probably got some QDR letterheaded paper in their printer...


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post Fri, 7 Sep 2018 - 17:41
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QUOTE (Redivi @ Fri, 7 Sep 2018 - 08:34) *
I would make a Subject Access Request to Open Parking

This will tell you if there are two PCNs in play or if ZZPS has sent the wrong details to QDR

Would it not be better to contact the DVLA to see how many times they have applied for keeper details?
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post Fri, 7 Sep 2018 - 18:15
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Good idea

Do that as well
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ronnie ring ding
post Sat, 8 Sep 2018 - 17:51
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Dont suppose you know the E-MAIL address?
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post Sat, 8 Sep 2018 - 19:30
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SubjectAccess.Requests@dvla.gsi.gov.uk


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post Tue, 16 Oct 2018 - 19:46
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QUOTE (ManxRed @ Fri, 7 Sep 2018 - 09:47) *
QUOTE (Churchmouse @ Fri, 7 Sep 2018 - 09:38) *
ZZPS doesn't even have an imaginary contract with the OP.


No, but they've probably got some QDR letterheaded paper in their printer...

I can confirm they do have QDR paper in their printer.
And payment is long overdue!
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post Tue, 16 Oct 2018 - 19:57
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Did you do this to the parking firm yet?

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I would make a Subject Access Request to Open Parking

This will tell you if there are two PCNs in play or if ZZPS has sent the wrong details to QDR
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ronnie ring ding
post Wed, 17 Oct 2018 - 18:36
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There are two parking tickets in play.
Stupid driver!!!!
Dvla confim they were contacted twice.
Ignore mode firing on all cylinders.
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post Thu, 18 Oct 2018 - 12:04
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What about the SAR?
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