Question on legality of what TW told me |
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Helping the motorist get justice
Question on legality of what TW told me |
 Tue, 12 Jun 2018 - 12:38
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Member Group: Members Posts: 27 Joined: 21 May 2015 Member No.: 77,372  |
Hi guys
Yesterday i parked outside a shop for a few seconds on double yellows and as i came out of the shop the TW was writing me a ticket, i said im going but she obviously wanted to give me the ticket so she took a pic and quickly carried on filling her form in. If she was decent she could have sene the car was running and i was a few yards away - only for a minute maximum but she didnt care. I started to drive off and she said " if you dont let me give you this notice, you wont be able to appeal" i said i dont believe you and drove off My question is - is that true what she said and where could i check if its true or not? Im expecting a fine coming soon and want to know about this point before i write back thanks for any help |
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Tue, 12 Jun 2018 - 12:43
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Member Group: Members Posts: 23,582 Joined: 12 Feb 2013 From: London Member No.: 59,924 |
You should get a postal PCN which you can appeal.
Hopefully it won't be a NTO (note to owner) which claims the PCN was served on you at the scene. You can appeal that too. Do you own the car and is your name and address correct on the V5C vehicle log form. |
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Tue, 12 Jun 2018 - 12:51
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Member Group: Members Posts: 26,656 Joined: 6 Nov 2014 Member No.: 74,048 |
What they said according to your narrative, can be taken in the context of you won't have the option of an informal challenge, but you can make representations (formal challenge) and then if rejected appeal to an adjudicator.
When you have a PCN post it here along with any council photos -------------------- All advice is given freely. It is given without guarantee and responsibility for its use rests with the user
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Tue, 12 Jun 2018 - 12:57
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,897 Joined: 2 Aug 2016 Member No.: 86,040 |
It seems as though you may left the vehicle with the engine running. That is an offence in itself if so. Also being parked with the engine running can potentially give rise to a penalty in some areas (though I have no idea who actually enforces).
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Tue, 12 Jun 2018 - 13:48
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,007 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
QUOTE (Slapdash @ Tue, 12 Jun 2018 - 13:57)  It seems as though you may left the vehicle with the engine running. That is an offence in itself if so. Also being parked with the engine running can potentially give rise to a penalty in some areas (though I have no idea who actually enforces). Without checking, I'm pretty sure that's a criminal matter that is dealt with by the police. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Tue, 12 Jun 2018 - 13:55
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Member Group: Members Posts: 27 Joined: 21 May 2015 Member No.: 77,372 |
QUOTE (stamfordman @ Tue, 12 Jun 2018 - 13:43) You should get a postal PCN which you can appeal. Hopefully it won't be a NTO (note to owner) which claims the PCN was served on you at the scene. You can appeal that too. Do you own the car and is your name and address correct on the V5C vehicle log form. thanks for the reply, why do you hope its an NTO not PCN? and yes i own it and am on the log book QUOTE (cp8759 @ Tue, 12 Jun 2018 - 14:48) QUOTE (Slapdash @ Tue, 12 Jun 2018 - 13:57) It seems as though you may left the vehicle with the engine running. That is an offence in itself if so. Also being parked with the engine running can potentially give rise to a penalty in some areas (though I have no idea who actually enforces). Without checking, I'm pretty sure that's a criminal matter that is dealt with by the police. i didnt know this, but as far as the council are concerned i think theyll be more concerned with the ticket/warden thanks QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Tue, 12 Jun 2018 - 13:51) What they said according to your narrative, can be taken in the context of you won't have the option of an informal challenge, but you can make representations (formal challenge) and then if rejected appeal to an adjudicator. When you have a PCN post it here along with any council photos will do, thanks |
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Tue, 12 Jun 2018 - 14:43
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,897 Joined: 2 Aug 2016 Member No.: 86,040 |
QUOTE (cp8759 @ Tue, 12 Jun 2018 - 14:48) QUOTE (Slapdash @ Tue, 12 Jun 2018 - 13:57) It seems as though you may left the vehicle with the engine running. That is an offence in itself if so. Also being parked with the engine running can potentially give rise to a penalty in some areas (though I have no idea who actually enforces). Without checking, I'm pretty sure that's a criminal matter that is dealt with by the police. Certainly the former is (I got done for it in about 1978, an endorsement an 30 quid iirc). Obviously beyond a CEO for any action The latter though can get a fixed penalty under emissions regs (2003 ish). Though from your response it doesn't sound like a CEO matter either. |
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Wed, 13 Jun 2018 - 06:59
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,860 Joined: 12 May 2012 Member No.: 54,871 |
QUOTE (cp8759 @ Tue, 12 Jun 2018 - 14:48) QUOTE (Slapdash @ Tue, 12 Jun 2018 - 13:57) It seems as though you may left the vehicle with the engine running. That is an offence in itself if so. Also being parked with the engine running can potentially give rise to a penalty in some areas (though I have no idea who actually enforces). Without checking, I'm pretty sure that's a criminal matter that is dealt with by the police. Again, without checking, I believe that both of those were given to both Police and Councils to enforce. We had an example on here quite recently involving Hillingdon Council. |
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Wed, 13 Jun 2018 - 07:10
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Member Group: Closed Posts: 9,710 Joined: 28 Mar 2007 Member No.: 11,355 |
Can we bin the red herring of the engine running. The OP has been caught on DYLs which is an instant contravention.
Is there anything we can suggest which provides a good ground for reps/appeal? Mick |
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Wed, 13 Jun 2018 - 07:23
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Member Group: Members Posts: 35,149 Joined: 2 Aug 2008 From: Woking Member No.: 21,551 |
Can we bin the red herring of the engine running. The OP has been caught on DYLs .....
+1 Is there anything we can suggest which provides a good ground for reps/appeal? The OP could post the PCN, photo(s) and GSV link for a start! This post has been edited by hcandersen: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 - 07:24 |
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Wed, 13 Jun 2018 - 15:20
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Member Group: Members Posts: 27 Joined: 21 May 2015 Member No.: 77,372 |
QUOTE (hcandersen @ Wed, 13 Jun 2018 - 08:23) Can we bin the red herring of the engine running. The OP has been caught on DYLs ..... +1 Is there anything we can suggest which provides a good ground for reps/appeal? The OP could post the PCN, photo(s) and GSV link for a start! will do when it comes, im pretty sure shell have sent it off  |
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Thu, 21 Jun 2018 - 08:19
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Member Group: Members Posts: 27 Joined: 21 May 2015 Member No.: 77,372 |
Hi guys
got the PCN, should i upload it here ? isnt the wizard only for NIPs? thanks ps it says taxi rank but i recall theres DY there |
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Thu, 21 Jun 2018 - 09:46
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Member Group: Members Posts: 25,726 Joined: 28 Jun 2010 From: Area 51 Member No.: 38,559 |
QUOTE (websmiler @ Thu, 21 Jun 2018 - 09:19) ...........it says taxi rank but i recall theres DY there Need to double check, there is a major difference. Any council pics on website ? |
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Thu, 21 Jun 2018 - 16:32
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,007 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
Upload the back of the PCN and the council pics. Use imgur.com to host the pictures, they won't fit on here.
-------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Fri, 22 Jun 2018 - 20:37
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Member Group: Members Posts: 27 Joined: 21 May 2015 Member No.: 77,372 |
QUOTE (DancingDad @ Thu, 21 Jun 2018 - 10:46) QUOTE (websmiler @ Thu, 21 Jun 2018 - 09:19) ...........it says taxi rank but i recall theres DY there Need to double check, there is a major difference. Any council pics on website ? ill go and look QUOTE (cp8759 @ Thu, 21 Jun 2018 - 17:32) Upload the back of the PCN and the council pics. Use imgur.com to host the pictures, they won't fit on here. where do i see council pics? ive looked on the council website but cant see naywhere to view them |
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Fri, 22 Jun 2018 - 20:58
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Member Group: Members Posts: 27 Joined: 21 May 2015 Member No.: 77,372 |
Heres the pic of the street, i only noticed the DY i didnt notice the taxi rank paint lol
https://imgur.com/0qRBumB Heres the back of the notice https://imgur.com/gWrh0Yu thanks for the help so far |
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Sat, 23 Jun 2018 - 08:40
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,860 Joined: 12 May 2012 Member No.: 54,871 |
QUOTE (websmiler @ Fri, 22 Jun 2018 - 21:37) QUOTE (DancingDad @ Thu, 21 Jun 2018 - 10:46) QUOTE (websmiler @ Thu, 21 Jun 2018 - 09:19) ...........it says taxi rank but i recall theres DY there Need to double check, there is a major difference. Any council pics on website ? ill go and look QUOTE (cp8759 @ Thu, 21 Jun 2018 - 17:32) Upload the back of the PCN and the council pics. Use imgur.com to host the pictures, they won't fit on here. where do i see council pics? ive looked on the council website but cant see naywhere to view them Try under "challenge a PCN" or similar. |
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Sat, 23 Jun 2018 - 09:10
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Member Group: Members Posts: 293 Joined: 9 Mar 2015 Member No.: 76,209 |
Engine running could be an offence under a PSPO.
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Sat, 23 Jun 2018 - 15:45
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,860 Joined: 12 May 2012 Member No.: 54,871 |
QUOTE (kernow2015 @ Sat, 23 Jun 2018 - 10:10) Engine running could be an offence under a PSPO. Indeed it could, but the OP hasn't been ticketed for that as it turns out. |
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Sun, 24 Jun 2018 - 19:25
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Member Group: Members Posts: 27 Joined: 21 May 2015 Member No.: 77,372 |
Cant see anywhere to view pics, do all councils let you do this?
ill take an up to date pic of the street tomorrow, it looks slightly different to the maps image. What do i need to do now? im going to challenge it as i think she could have used her discretion and im not sure what she told me is true and also i honestly dont know if its a taxi rank or just DY. Also the link detailed on the parking ticket returns a page not found error. They should make sure their info is up to date thanks This post has been edited by websmiler: Sun, 24 Jun 2018 - 19:28 |
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