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cp8759
post Sat, 19 Jan 2019 - 13:33
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IMPORTANT: This part of the forum is only for PCNs issued by or on behalf of local authorities, it is not suitable for anything issued by the police or a private company.

You should include the following in your opening posts:

Parking PCNs that have been attached to your vehicle: Upload the Penalty Charge Notice in full. It is important that you upload both sides, as the "standard" wording printed on the back is required, by law, to contain certain mandatory information. Many councils get this part wrong and any errors in the small print can make the PCN invalid. You can hide the number plate if you want, but leave all other details visible.

All PCNs received by post (i.e. bus lane, moving traffic, and parking PCNs for "drive away" cases): You must post the PCN in full, it is important that you provide all sides of all pages, even if they only appear to contain standard text. This is because the "standard" wording printed on the PCN is required, by law, to contain certain mandatory information. Many councils get this part wrong and any errors in the small print can make the PCN invalid. You should redact your name and address only.

If you have received a Notice to Owner, a Charge Certificate, an Enforcement Notice or an Order for Recovery: You are at a disadvantage because, for whatever reason, you haven't been able to post on here when the PCN was first served (maybe it was lost in the post, or you didn't know about this forum). This doesn't mean you can't still win, but we need as much information as possible, so it is important that you upload all the paperwork you have received from the council (including any rejections to representations you have submitted), as well as everything you have sent to them (i.e. any representations you sent to the council before you came here). If you don't have a copy of any representations you have sent, try and recreate them from memory as best you can, and going forward, keep copies of everything you send.

Moving traffic PCNs: For all bus lane and moving traffic cases, it is important that we see the video, as this is the primary evidence the council will use against you. The video is almost always available on the council website or on https://viewmypcn.co.uk. You can download the video by using an extension such as Flash Video Downloader for Chrome (http://bit.ly/2ssa49D) or Firefox (https://mzl.la/2FrDltz), then upload the video to a video sharing website like vimeo or youtube, or place it on your dropbox, google drive or other file sharing account. For TFL, you will need to call them up and ask for the video, they will post it to you on a DVD and put the penalty on hold in the meantime. Don't worry if the number plate is visible, hundreds if not thousands of people see your number plate every day.

Where to upload images: There is limited space on your forum account, so in most instances you will need to upload images to an external site and either post a link, or if you're tech savvy, use the BB codes to embed the images in your post. Popular sites that can be used for this purpose are https://imgur.com and https://imgbb.com

Known errors: We will usually check for errors in the council's paperwork in all instances, but there is a database of known flaws at http://bit.ly/2ALghSS. If the council is on the list and there is a known flaw for the type of PCN you have received, say so in your opening post as this will save time.

V5C: If you are the registered keeper, go and physically get the V5C out of the envelope and check that the name and address is 100% correct. Do not assume it is correct, actually go and look. It causes all manner of problems when this is not checked. If you are not the registered keeper, say so in your opening post and appropriate advice will be given.

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post Sat, 19 Jan 2019 - 13:40
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Any chance of this as a Sticky ???
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post Sat, 19 Jan 2019 - 13:57
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I think this should be a sticky or it will get lost


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cp8759
post Sat, 19 Jan 2019 - 14:01
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Yes I have asked for it to be made a sticky.


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post Sat, 19 Jan 2019 - 14:15
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When I have time I'll do a 'how to post in this section' sticky with some screen shots etc.

One thing we really need is for people to post detail of the contravention in the heading because that's how threads are bests searched. Just putting 'PCN' is not helpful.
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post Sat, 19 Jan 2019 - 20:38
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Perhaps something about current/updated V5C? Across forums it seems to be something that takes too much time to establish correct details with OPs?
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post Mon, 21 Jan 2019 - 00:19
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I may be at odds with others here - I've seen varying advice in posts in the forum - but I'd always advise people to obscure the PCN number. With the PCN number and VRM a malicious actor can submit reps and upset the process.

I'm not suggesting it'll happen, but it could.

If PCN number is obscured in documentation then people do not need to be concerned about VRM appearing in photos or videos.

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post Mon, 21 Jan 2019 - 09:19
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Perhaps some are more worried about their numberplate showing on a public forum?
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post Mon, 21 Jan 2019 - 09:23
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I think you can get too worried about things that almost certainly won't happen, but we can say that it is good practice to remove PCN number and VRM, and these can be shared with trusted members. But misuse is very unlikely.
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post Mon, 21 Jan 2019 - 09:40
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QUOTE (stamfordman @ Mon, 21 Jan 2019 - 09:23) *
but we can say that it is good practice to remove PCN number and VRM

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post Mon, 21 Jan 2019 - 09:55
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QUOTE (Starworshipper12 @ Mon, 21 Jan 2019 - 09:19) *
Perhaps some are more worried about their numberplate showing on a public forum?

The same one they display to the world 24/7 ?

QUOTE (stamfordman @ Sat, 19 Jan 2019 - 14:15) *
When I have time I'll do a 'how to post in this section' sticky with some screen shots etc.

One thing we really need is for people to post detail of the contravention in the heading because that's how threads are bests searched. Just putting 'PCN' is not helpful.

PMB mentioned ages ago that you were probably best placed to rewrite the 'post images' guide.
I disagreed at the time (sorry huh.gif ) because I had an inkling you worked in IT (?) and they being the worst for help guides!

I do now think though that you probably are the best candidate.

QUOTE (Starworshipper12 @ Sat, 19 Jan 2019 - 20:38) *
Perhaps something about current/updated V5C? Across forums it seems to be something that takes too much time to establish correct details with OPs?

I keep wanting to compile a sticky about bailiff enforcement but struggling to find the time.

With those cases being so time-critical it really is difficult to get across the process and the focus and purpose of late applications.


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post Mon, 21 Jan 2019 - 09:58
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QUOTE (Neil B @ Mon, 21 Jan 2019 - 09:55) *
QUOTE (Starworshipper12 @ Mon, 21 Jan 2019 - 09:19) *
Perhaps some are more worried about their numberplate showing on a public forum?

The same one they display to the world 24/7 ?

The problem is for moving traffic & bus lane contraventions, showing the number plate in the video is unavoidable.


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post Mon, 21 Jan 2019 - 10:06
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QUOTE (Neil B @ Mon, 21 Jan 2019 - 09:55) *
QUOTE (Starworshipper12 @ Mon, 21 Jan 2019 - 09:19) *
Perhaps some are more worried about their numberplate showing on a public forum?

The same one they display to the world 24/7 ?

I've seen this said all over the forum. I *think* the issue is that when driving there is little that links the VRM to a real person, but typically in these threads there is other information that could be used to link the VRM to a real person.

Again, this is unlikely to be a problem, but I can see some people being nervous.
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post Mon, 21 Jan 2019 - 10:11
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QUOTE (TigerRob @ Mon, 21 Jan 2019 - 10:06) *
there is other information that could be used to link the VRM to a real person.

Again, this is unlikely to be a problem, but I can see some people being nervous.


What can you do with the information?
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TigerRob
post Mon, 21 Jan 2019 - 10:20
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QUOTE (stamfordman @ Mon, 21 Jan 2019 - 10:11) *
QUOTE (TigerRob @ Mon, 21 Jan 2019 - 10:06) *
there is other information that could be used to link the VRM to a real person.
Again, this is unlikely to be a problem, but I can see some people being nervous.

What can you do with the information?

Probably very little directly. But there are people/companies who specialise in linking data from different locations together, and this is potentially another link in those chains.

I'm probably over-worrying here (and if you look at my threads on this forum you'll see that I haven't been shy about exposing my VRMs when unavoidable).
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Starworshipper12
post Mon, 21 Jan 2019 - 11:02
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There’s probably a degree of paranoia in certain posters, divulging so much info to the World Wide Web. Hence the bewildered replies here of ‘why did you blank out ...??’

Give me a VRM and I can at least check it for tax, MOT and insurance.

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Rob London
post Wed, 12 Jun 2019 - 11:43
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Link for parking enforcement protocol for camden council incorrect. New pdf and links is https://www.camden.gov.uk/documents/20142/3...fc-9f5118c061d5
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post Wed, 12 Jun 2019 - 12:40
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Still not been made a sticky either?
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cp8759
post Wed, 12 Jun 2019 - 18:32
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QUOTE (Irksome @ Wed, 12 Jun 2019 - 13:40) *
Still not been made a sticky either?

Nope, I asked Fredd why not but never got an answer.


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