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mwendo
post Wed, 1 May 2019 - 19:32
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I saw this on a poster (dated 30 April 2019) when I was at Heathrow Terminal 4 earlier today:


Subject: Speed Matrix and ANPR average Speed Cameras.
Overview/Impact:
Speed matrix and ANPR average speed cameras are being installed on the Heathrow Airport road network.
These are dual ANPR and speed enforcement cameras. They are utilised to improve security at Heathrow Airport, prevent crime and reduce speed on airport roads improving road safety.
Drivers exceeding the speed limit commit offences under the Police Reform Act 2002, section 59(1). This gives the Police the power of enforcement including the power to seize vehicles being driven in an inconsiderate or careless manor which includes speeding.
The Metropolitan Police will work in partnership with Heathrow Airport limited who reserve the right to challenge anti-social behaviour including speeding within the airport boundary.
The easiest way not to come to notice of the cameras is to obey the speed limit.
Within the airport boundaries the maximum posted speed limit is 30mph on single carriageways and 40mph on dual carriageways unless otherwise signed.
All forecourts have a maximum speed limit of 20mph
Staff car parks have a maximum speed limit of 15mph
Main Inbound and Outbound Tunnels 30mph and 20mph while in contraflow.
Your action and support is required to communicate this notice to your individual departments.


As I was leaving Terminal 4, some guys in a large silver van were just finishing the installation of a new camera on the Southern Perimeter Road between Terminal 4 and Hatton Cross. This road is 40mph and even though the road belongs to the airport, it is accessible by the public. The camera is of a design I have never seen before; it is a small yellow box with speed camera markings on it and a what appears to be a camera/flash across the top of the front face. It is the size of a ream of A4 paper that has been stood on its end and it was fixed to a pole using cable ties. I would guess that these are going up all over the Heathrow perimeter road network which is either 30mph or 40mph including the dual carriageway between the M25 and Terminal 4.


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QUOTE (callumw @ Wed, 22 May 2019 - 11:02) *
Quite a difference from the "we can impound your vehicle" notice in the original post.

It never made any sense from the start. How can it be APNR when there are traffic lights and roundabouts between most of the cameras?

I think the warning poster was very carefully worded to imply a link between the cameras and the possibility of police prosecution/vehicle seizure for driving offences, without actually saying there was one.


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post Fri, 9 Aug 2019 - 19:26
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To confirm - there are not speed cameras?

They are more CCTV cameras that record speeds and are not enforceable with fines and points?

I went past two of these today and exactly like everyone else I was thinking what the hell are they?!
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post Mon, 12 Aug 2019 - 14:23
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They are NOT speed cameras, they are CCTV, whether they can record a speed at all is doubtful, hey rely on fear and ignorance plus the ambiguous signage.


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post Mon, 27 Jan 2020 - 18:14
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I went past Heathrow again today in very slow traffic.
I noticed some new cameras since my last visit and these ones were identified as "Westcotec Ltd" on the side (as Richy320 pointed out last year)
You can see Westcotec's website here: https://www.westcotec.co.uk/
No mention on their website of any of their products being Home Office approved though!

I had a search for Westcotec on Google and found this post of theirs from another location.
I see that ambiguous text seems to be a feature of Westcotec.





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post Tue, 7 Apr 2020 - 10:51
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Hi all!

I was wondering whether anyone had heard any further information on these devices?

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=127582

Did anyone ever receive a notice from them? Is their evidence sufficient for enforcement of a fine/points?

Thanks!
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post Fri, 3 Feb 2023 - 15:32
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Hi there! , I am new here,
I found this post via a search engine as this morning early hours I am sure one of these camera things snapped me, I did not think i was speeding at all, i saw the lit up sign saying i was doing 46 and slowed down, then i saw that camera and i was doing under 40 but i saw the thing make a light go on and off so it definitely took a snap of me,

Does any one know if i should expect some kind of ticket please!? I would like to fight it if do and would ask for any advice ,
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post Fri, 3 Feb 2023 - 16:27
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Mon, 12 Aug 2019 - 14:23) *
They are NOT speed cameras, they are CCTV, whether they can record a speed at all is doubtful, hey rely on fear and ignorance plus the ambiguous signage.



Hello , Is this correct? seems they are unable if this is the case to issue any kind of ticket.
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post Fri, 3 Feb 2023 - 17:32
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Well no-one has come here reporting any kind of ticket….


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post Sat, 4 Feb 2023 - 12:19
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Come back to us if and when you get a ticket through the post, se the sticky in the top of the page how to post pictures of penalty charge notice or whatever it is you get.
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post Sat, 4 Feb 2023 - 23:39
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QUOTE (roythebus @ Sat, 4 Feb 2023 - 12:19) *
Come back to us if and when you get a ticket through the post, se the sticky in the top of the page how to post pictures of penalty charge notice or whatever it is you get.

Thank you very much indeed
I shall do that and hopefully I will have boots and braces as back up !
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post Sun, 5 Feb 2023 - 00:13
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QUOTE (callumw @ Wed, 22 May 2019 - 10:02) *
It never made any sense from the start. How can it be APNR when there are traffic lights and roundabouts between most of the cameras?


error you're confusing ANPR with Average speed cameras

edit ive just realised the post date ffs huh.gif

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alsy
post Sun, 5 Feb 2023 - 00:35
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In my useless opinion I write this

We have absolutely no choice anymore the machineries are already taking over, it has become a real life beginning of the terminator

sounds like crazy but be sensible and remind yourself of 30 years ago

This is just a rant due to to my run in
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post Mon, 3 Apr 2023 - 06:46
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Just to update, I did not get any kid of ticket whatsoever,,,, so this was good news ,
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post Tue, 4 Apr 2023 - 22:28
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Glad to hear it. ANPR doesn't issue speeding tickets.
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